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		<title>By: A Dictatorial Decree of Death - Politics Elevated</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-63998</link>
		<dc:creator>A Dictatorial Decree of Death - Politics Elevated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out &#8220;terrorist&#8221; actions against the country or &#8220;U.S. interests&#8221;. 9/11 changed everything, we&#8217;re told, and so we have collectively and willingly surrendered our liberty for a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out &#8220;terrorist&#8221; actions against the country or &#8220;U.S. interests&#8221;. 9/11 changed everything, we&#8217;re told, and so we have collectively and willingly surrendered our liberty for a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Staheli</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-53279</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Staheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Richard Warnick, it was &lt;a href=&quot;http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2007/12/fisa-running-orrin-hatch-out-of-dc-on.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;actually before 9/11 that the plans for illegal surveillance were being polished off &lt;/a&gt;and made ready for use.  But I otherwise wholeheartedly agree with his comments.

By the way, the ONLY VIABLE republican candidate who can roll back the clock on such establishmentarian abuses of power is Ron Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Richard Warnick, it was <a href="http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2007/12/fisa-running-orrin-hatch-out-of-dc-on.html" rel="nofollow">actually before 9/11 that the plans for illegal surveillance were being polished off </a>and made ready for use.  But I otherwise wholeheartedly agree with his comments.</p>
<p>By the way, the ONLY VIABLE republican candidate who can roll back the clock on such establishmentarian abuses of power is Ron Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly W.</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-53001</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read an interesting quote on the net last night:

&quot;9/11 did change everything, and 9/11 truth can change it back again.&quot;

I liked that quote a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read an interesting quote on the net last night:</p>
<p>&#8220;9/11 did change everything, and 9/11 truth can change it back again.&#8221;</p>
<p>I liked that quote a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-52595</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Jay, Ron Paul just went up a notch in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Jay, Ron Paul just went up a notch in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-52584</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone listen to Ron Paul&#8217;s interview with Glenn Beck, last night?  I thought the interview was good, but was disturbed by the last part of it regarding his line of questioning about 9/11.  Ron Paul seemed incredulous that anyone would think that our government was complicit in the least.  

Jay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone listen to Ron Paul&rsquo;s interview with Glenn Beck, last night?  I thought the interview was good, but was disturbed by the last part of it regarding his line of questioning about 9/11.  Ron Paul seemed incredulous that anyone would think that our government was complicit in the least.  </p>
<p>Jay</p>
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		<title>By: Obi wan liberali</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-52580</link>
		<dc:creator>Obi wan liberali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to side with the pragmatic side, but I do believe there are certain principles that a nation should adhere to.  But even so, the lesson of Thomas Jefferson taking unilateral actions in violation his own stated principles to acquire the Louisiana territory comes to mind of a leader seizing opportunities rather being rigidly tied down to principle.  

The Bush example relating to 9/11 is really about a failure of leadership, both with Bush and the Congress.  Whereas FDR when we were attacked at Pearl Harbor sought to reassure Americans and call them to action, Bush with the help of the Congress tried to play on people&#039;s fears in order to turn over their fundamental rights to the government.   FDR said &quot;follow me and together we will prevail&quot;, Bush said &quot;trust me, give me emergency powers and I&#039;ll lick them&quot;.  FDR was a leader, Bush is an authoritarian demagogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to side with the pragmatic side, but I do believe there are certain principles that a nation should adhere to.  But even so, the lesson of Thomas Jefferson taking unilateral actions in violation his own stated principles to acquire the Louisiana territory comes to mind of a leader seizing opportunities rather being rigidly tied down to principle.  </p>
<p>The Bush example relating to 9/11 is really about a failure of leadership, both with Bush and the Congress.  Whereas FDR when we were attacked at Pearl Harbor sought to reassure Americans and call them to action, Bush with the help of the Congress tried to play on people&#8217;s fears in order to turn over their fundamental rights to the government.   FDR said &#8220;follow me and together we will prevail&#8221;, Bush said &#8220;trust me, give me emergency powers and I&#8217;ll lick them&#8221;.  FDR was a leader, Bush is an authoritarian demagogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-52444</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If an ideology is based on enduring principles, need it ever change?&lt;/i&gt;

Anything needs to change, if it doesn&#039;t work.

This is the difference between a pragmatist and an ideologue. The pragmatist evaluates a policy by the effects that it has. The ideologue evaluates a policy by whether it corresponds to his or her principles. 

I think the pragmatic approach is better. Sometimes people (ahem) treat principles as absolute and eternal, when in fact they are just &lt;i&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt; what you think is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If an ideology is based on enduring principles, need it ever change?</i></p>
<p>Anything needs to change, if it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>This is the difference between a pragmatist and an ideologue. The pragmatist evaluates a policy by the effects that it has. The ideologue evaluates a policy by whether it corresponds to his or her principles. </p>
<p>I think the pragmatic approach is better. Sometimes people (ahem) treat principles as absolute and eternal, when in fact they are just <i>a priori</i> what you think is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Our Declaration of Independence, while based in principle, is a prime example of reactionary politics. Our Constitution, though based in principle, is another example of reactive politics.&lt;/em&gt;

Perhaps you misunderstand my distinction.  &lt;em&gt;Any&lt;/em&gt; political undertaking is in reaction to &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt;.  Government and its byproduct (legislation) would not be necessary if there weren&#039;t problems to be solved.

That being said, the difference I intended to portray was that principled politics provides a response or answer based on principle.  The Declaration and Constitution were both very much principled undertakings, and while they indeed were responding to current events, they were not hasty, emotionally charged, or intellectually shallow.  

&lt;em&gt;The fact is that in a pluralistic society there are going to be disagreements on matters of principle. And as much as I believe certain principles to be true, I cannot force others to adopt them. Thus, compromise and expediency become the hallmarks of politics.&lt;/em&gt;

Rick Koerber has a quote (on several I-15 billboards) that I like: Some things are true whether you believe them or not.  This doesn&#039;t imply that we can force others to believe in true principles, but they remain true regardless of any popular support or belief.

So, while others may disagree, the statesman can and should continue to fight for true principles.  Sure, you get into a bit of discord if several people championing opposing causes claim to be doing so based on truth and principle, so that&#039;s where your compromise comes in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Our Declaration of Independence, while based in principle, is a prime example of reactionary politics. Our Constitution, though based in principle, is another example of reactive politics.</em></p>
<p>Perhaps you misunderstand my distinction.  <em>Any</em> political undertaking is in reaction to <em>something</em>.  Government and its byproduct (legislation) would not be necessary if there weren&#8217;t problems to be solved.</p>
<p>That being said, the difference I intended to portray was that principled politics provides a response or answer based on principle.  The Declaration and Constitution were both very much principled undertakings, and while they indeed were responding to current events, they were not hasty, emotionally charged, or intellectually shallow.  </p>
<p><em>The fact is that in a pluralistic society there are going to be disagreements on matters of principle. And as much as I believe certain principles to be true, I cannot force others to adopt them. Thus, compromise and expediency become the hallmarks of politics.</em></p>
<p>Rick Koerber has a quote (on several I-15 billboards) that I like: Some things are true whether you believe them or not.  This doesn&#8217;t imply that we can force others to believe in true principles, but they remain true regardless of any popular support or belief.</p>
<p>So, while others may disagree, the statesman can and should continue to fight for true principles.  Sure, you get into a bit of discord if several people championing opposing causes claim to be doing so based on truth and principle, so that&#8217;s where your compromise comes in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-52437</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points.  But don&#039;t give reactive politics the short shrift.  Our Declaration of Independence, while based in principle, is a prime example of reactionary politics.  Our Constitution, though based in principle, is another example of reactive politics.

Each of these documents (and the actions that followed their institution) came about in direct response to problems.  The passage of each required much wrangling.  The Constitution required months of political jousting and sanctioned the repugnant practice of human slavery.  But, you will say, the Constitution was based on principle.  However, not everyone involved agreed on the principles behind the document.  In fact, there was remarkable fluidity in the &quot;principles&quot; involved.

The fact is that in a pluralistic society there are going to be disagreements on matters of principle.  And as much as I believe certain principles to be true, I cannot force others to adopt them.  Thus, compromise and expediency become the hallmarks of politics.  That&#039;s reality.

The answer is to keep as many facets of life as possible out of the realm of politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points.  But don&#8217;t give reactive politics the short shrift.  Our Declaration of Independence, while based in principle, is a prime example of reactionary politics.  Our Constitution, though based in principle, is another example of reactive politics.</p>
<p>Each of these documents (and the actions that followed their institution) came about in direct response to problems.  The passage of each required much wrangling.  The Constitution required months of political jousting and sanctioned the repugnant practice of human slavery.  But, you will say, the Constitution was based on principle.  However, not everyone involved agreed on the principles behind the document.  In fact, there was remarkable fluidity in the &#8220;principles&#8221; involved.</p>
<p>The fact is that in a pluralistic society there are going to be disagreements on matters of principle.  And as much as I believe certain principles to be true, I cannot force others to adopt them.  Thus, compromise and expediency become the hallmarks of politics.  That&#8217;s reality.</p>
<p>The answer is to keep as many facets of life as possible out of the realm of politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-52426</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;...it cuts down the number of decisions you have to make!&lt;/em&gt;

Indeed. It&#039;s like choosing once not to smoke.  Each time you&#039;re confronted with the opportunity, you&#039;ve already made the decision and don&#039;t need to weigh the pros and cons repeatedly.

&lt;em&gt;But very often we see principle hardening into ideology. And that&#8217;s dangerous because people aren&#8217;t very good at changing it, even when it needs to be.&lt;/em&gt;

If an ideology is based on enduring principles, need it ever change?  As the anonymous quote above teaches, one can change tactics while remaining consistent to principle.  Even within an ideology there is maneuvering room for implementing the proposed principles.

&lt;em&gt;An example dear to Connor&#8217;s heart: abstinence-based sex education.&lt;/em&gt;

Dear to my heart?  Obviously you&#039;re referring to government-sanctioned, public education-sponsored sex education.  That&#039;s not dear to my heart in the slightest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8230;it cuts down the number of decisions you have to make!</em></p>
<p>Indeed. It&#8217;s like choosing once not to smoke.  Each time you&#8217;re confronted with the opportunity, you&#8217;ve already made the decision and don&#8217;t need to weigh the pros and cons repeatedly.</p>
<p><em>But very often we see principle hardening into ideology. And that&rsquo;s dangerous because people aren&rsquo;t very good at changing it, even when it needs to be.</em></p>
<p>If an ideology is based on enduring principles, need it ever change?  As the anonymous quote above teaches, one can change tactics while remaining consistent to principle.  Even within an ideology there is maneuvering room for implementing the proposed principles.</p>
<p><em>An example dear to Connor&rsquo;s heart: abstinence-based sex education.</em></p>
<p>Dear to my heart?  Obviously you&#8217;re referring to government-sanctioned, public education-sponsored sex education.  That&#8217;s not dear to my heart in the slightest.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-52424</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the need for using principles to inform our actions (in part because it cuts down the number of decisions you have to make!). 

But very often we see principle hardening into &lt;i&gt;ideology&lt;/i&gt;. And that&#039;s dangerous because people aren&#039;t very good at changing it, even when it needs to be.

An example dear to Connor&#039;s heart: abstinence-based sex education. Many times it has been shown not to work, but its advocates are unlikely to dump it because anti-sex is a part of their ideology. At those times I find myself wishing they were less principled and more pragmatic. I&#039;d rather have a moral pragmatist in office than a moral ideologue any day.

Ah, finding the balance.

BTW, I hate the &#039;9/11 changed everything&#039; meme. What better way to trash our principles. They think 9/11 is the worst threat we&#039;ve ever faced? Fleh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the need for using principles to inform our actions (in part because it cuts down the number of decisions you have to make!). </p>
<p>But very often we see principle hardening into <i>ideology</i>. And that&#8217;s dangerous because people aren&#8217;t very good at changing it, even when it needs to be.</p>
<p>An example dear to Connor&#8217;s heart: abstinence-based sex education. Many times it has been shown not to work, but its advocates are unlikely to dump it because anti-sex is a part of their ideology. At those times I find myself wishing they were less principled and more pragmatic. I&#8217;d rather have a moral pragmatist in office than a moral ideologue any day.</p>
<p>Ah, finding the balance.</p>
<p>BTW, I hate the &#8217;9/11 changed everything&#8217; meme. What better way to trash our principles. They think 9/11 is the worst threat we&#8217;ve ever faced? Fleh.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine what our federal government would look like if all our officials were principled statesmen - there would be a clear divide between those who&#039;s principles call for individual liberty and responsibility and those who advocate principles of shared resources and a hierarchy of responsibility.

Of course that could only happen if the people of our nation were active and informed in their political decisions and if they were sufficiently self-aware to know the principles that they individually believed in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine what our federal government would look like if all our officials were principled statesmen &#8211; there would be a clear divide between those who&#8217;s principles call for individual liberty and responsibility and those who advocate principles of shared resources and a hierarchy of responsibility.</p>
<p>Of course that could only happen if the people of our nation were active and informed in their political decisions and if they were sufficiently self-aware to know the principles that they individually believed in.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-52409</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is comment #5,000.

::: tear :::

For nostalgia&#039;s sake, here is &lt;a href=&quot;/blog/mac-evangelism#comment-14&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment #1&lt;/a&gt; on this blog.  Ooooh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is comment #5,000.</p>
<p>::: tear :::</p>
<p>For nostalgia&#8217;s sake, here is <a href="/blog/mac-evangelism#comment-14" rel="nofollow">comment #1</a> on this blog.  Ooooh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rmwarnick</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-52402</link>
		<dc:creator>rmwarnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to make a correction.  Osama bin Laden &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mideastweb.org/osamabinladen1.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;declared war on the USA in 1996&lt;/a&gt;.  However, the first attack on the World Trade Center was in 1993 and that should have been enough to alert the national security establishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to make a correction.  Osama bin Laden <a href="http://www.mideastweb.org/osamabinladen1.htm" rel="nofollow">declared war on the USA in 1996</a>.  However, the first attack on the World Trade Center was in 1993 and that should have been enough to alert the national security establishment.</p>
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		<title>By: rmwarnick</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/911-didnt-change-everything#comment-52366</link>
		<dc:creator>rmwarnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 9/11 attacks may have been a wake-up call for most Americans, however Al Qaeda declared war on the USA in 1993 and we were already exchanging blows during the Clinton administration.  Suddenly, post-9/11 the Bushies went for illegal domestic surveillance programs, the USA PATRIOT Act, denial of habeas corpus, secret prisons, torture, the whole nine yards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 9/11 attacks may have been a wake-up call for most Americans, however Al Qaeda declared war on the USA in 1993 and we were already exchanging blows during the Clinton administration.  Suddenly, post-9/11 the Bushies went for illegal domestic surveillance programs, the USA PATRIOT Act, denial of habeas corpus, secret prisons, torture, the whole nine yards.</p>
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