Comments on: A Letter to the Treasury from the LDS First Presidency in 1941 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941 Rants and musings about things political, philosophical, and religious. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:07:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ralph Hughes http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-67422 Ralph Hughes Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:38:27 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-67422 ".... but this much we feel we can definitely say, that unless the people of America forsake the sins and the errors, political and otherwise, of which they are now guilty and return to the practice of the great fundamental principles of Christianity, and of Constitutional government, there will be no exaltation for them spiritually, and politically we shall lose our liberty and free institutions." This statement gives me the shivers every time I review it. I fear for the Church members who continue to promote and support violations of principles of Constitutional government. I see such violations constantly committed by so many LDS politicians and voters. “…. but this much we feel we can definitely say, that unless the people of America forsake the sins and the errors, political and otherwise, of which they are now guilty and return to the practice of the great fundamental principles of Christianity, and of Constitutional government, there will be no exaltation for them spiritually, and politically we shall lose our liberty and free institutions.”

This statement gives me the shivers every time I review it. I fear for the Church members who continue to promote and support violations of principles of Constitutional government. I see such violations constantly committed by so many LDS politicians and voters.

]]> By: Mario Thompson http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-67421 Mario Thompson Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:11:06 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-67421 This is priceless! Thank you. I juxtapose the disobedience of the membership of the Church with regard to good government with my own weakness of clinging to the sins that I favor--many members choose to remain in ignorance in matters of governance, but I have beams in my eye too. This is priceless! Thank you.

I juxtapose the disobedience of the membership of the Church with regard to good government with my own weakness of clinging to the sins that I favor–many members choose to remain in ignorance in matters of governance, but I have beams in my eye too.

]]> By: Everett http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-66654 Everett Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:26:55 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-66654 I was super excited to find this article. Thanks for your research. It is good to know that the leaders of the church know what's going on even though the mainstream media is full of propaganda. I was super excited to find this article. Thanks for your research. It is good to know that the leaders of the church know what’s going on even though the mainstream media is full of propaganda.

]]> By: Kelly W. http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-66532 Kelly W. Mon, 08 Aug 2011 03:06:37 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-66532 Brint, the Carrol Quigley quote was very enlightening, thanks. Brint, the Carrol Quigley quote was very enlightening, thanks.

]]> By: Ralph Hughes http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-66531 Ralph Hughes Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:34:08 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-66531 To Shaun's comment "Such a letter stands the test of time and should be taught and quoted in Sunday School manuals", more's the pity some of the principles presented in this letter must remain burried in a box at the U of U instead of being taught in church. To Shaun’s comment “Such a letter stands the test of time and should be taught and quoted in Sunday School manuals”, more’s the pity some of the principles presented in this letter must remain burried in a box at the U of U instead of being taught in church.

]]> By: Brint Baggaley http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-66339 Brint Baggaley Fri, 20 May 2011 17:20:38 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-66339 Another exerpt from J. Reuben Clark, from the October 1941 General Conference: "We are in the midst of the greatest exhibition of propaganda that the world has ever seen. Just do not believe all you read or hear. The elect are being deceived." Another exerpt from J. Reuben Clark, from the October 1941 General Conference:
“We are in the midst of the greatest exhibition of propaganda that the world has ever seen. Just do not believe all you read or hear. The elect are being deceived.”

]]> By: Brint Baggaley http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-66338 Brint Baggaley Fri, 20 May 2011 16:58:43 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-66338 I have been studying this posting more in depth and would like to focus on the statement: "we visualize, if present tendencies continue, that our problem may be immeasurably intensified when the World War ends and the nations sink back into the depression which seems certainly to follow. (?)" I guess the question mark was added, as at first glance we have had great economic prosperity since WWII. It is actully a great read to read about (from many sources) the rescue missions by Church Welfare in Europe. Also, our own economy, rather than return to true economic principles has simply shackled itself with debt, which was covered by a season from the natural growth from population, but which must someday come back with a vengence. Carroll Quigley discussed the state of our economy in his book Tragedy & Hope: "...even today prosperity is not the result of a properly organized economic system but of government spending, and any drastic reduction in such spending would give rise to an acute depression." Quigley's comments are packed, especially as he later explains the 'organization' wanted. An in depth look can be found at: http://www.stateofmankind.com/tragedy-and-hope-review/x-the-economy/ I have been studying this posting more in depth and would like to focus on the statement:
“we visualize, if present tendencies continue, that our problem may be immeasurably intensified when the World War ends and the nations sink back into the depression which seems certainly to follow. (?)”
I guess the question mark was added, as at first glance we have had great economic prosperity since WWII. It is actully a great read to read about (from many sources) the rescue missions by Church Welfare in Europe. Also, our own economy, rather than return to true economic principles has simply shackled itself with debt, which was covered by a season from the natural growth from population, but which must someday come back with a vengence. Carroll Quigley discussed the state of our economy in his book Tragedy & Hope:
“…even today prosperity is not the result of a properly organized economic system but of government spending, and any drastic reduction in such spending would give rise to an acute depression.”
Quigley’s comments are packed, especially as he later explains the ‘organization’ wanted. An in depth look can be found at:
http://www.stateofmankind.com/tragedy-and-hope-review/x-the-economy/

]]> By: Brint Baggaley http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-66334 Brint Baggaley Thu, 19 May 2011 19:12:17 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-66334 Connor, this was an amazing read! I have researched many things, but am humbled by your diligent search and fair minded presentation of not only this letter, but the events around it. I have found that these truths you have shown flow very much into our day as I have looked into U. N. treaties, socialist constitutions, American Progressives and the Environmental movement. It would be of great benefit to me if some of the well educated people reading this would check out and comment on my findings, website is stateofmankind.com. Connor, this was an amazing read! I have researched many things, but am humbled by your diligent search and fair minded presentation of not only this letter, but the events around it.
I have found that these truths you have shown flow very much into our day as I have looked into U. N. treaties, socialist constitutions, American Progressives and the Environmental movement. It would be of great benefit to me if some of the well educated people reading this would check out and comment on my findings, website is stateofmankind.com.

]]> By: Shaun Knapp http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-66134 Shaun Knapp Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:59:56 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-66134 Connor, This was great. I needed some of those quotes fast, and man, here you had a treasure trove of them. It's amazing how the First Presidency spoke so powerfully and eloquently and were in such dead on correct alignment with reality. They did not buy into the lies, propaganda, and false doctrines and sophistry of the "scheming leaders" of their day who filled the judgment seats of the nation. I sure wonder how big of a smuck Mr. Eccles was. I'll let God be the judge, but Mr. Eccles opined that the letter to the First Presidency was un-enlightening. Well, Eccles has no spirit of truth in him for such a lamentable statement. Such a letter stands the test of time and should be taught and quoted in Sunday School manuals. Shame is felt for the name Eccles for his sorry stand on such an enlightened letter. Connor,

This was great. I needed some of those quotes fast, and man, here you had a treasure trove of them.

It’s amazing how the First Presidency spoke so powerfully and eloquently and were in such dead on correct alignment with reality. They did not buy into the lies, propaganda, and false doctrines and sophistry of the “scheming leaders” of their day who filled the judgment seats of the nation. I sure wonder how big of a smuck Mr. Eccles was. I’ll let God be the judge, but Mr. Eccles opined that the letter to the First Presidency was un-enlightening. Well, Eccles has no spirit of truth in him for such a lamentable statement. Such a letter stands the test of time and should be taught and quoted in Sunday School manuals. Shame is felt for the name Eccles for his sorry stand on such an enlightened letter.

]]> By: Shaun Knapp http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-66133 Shaun Knapp Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:55:40 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-66133 Connor, This was great. I needed some of those quotes fast, and man, here you had a treasure trove of them. It's amazing how the First Presidency spoke so powerfully and eloquently and were in such dead on correct alignment with reality. They did not buy into the lies, propaganda, and false doctrines and sophistry of the "scheming leaders" of their day who filled the judgment seats of the nation. I sure wonder how big of a smuck Mr. Eccles was. I'll let God be the judge, but Mr. Eccles opined that the letter to the First Presidency was un-enlightening. Well, Eccles has no spirit of truth in him for such a lamentable statement. Such a letter stands the test of time and should be taught and quoted in Sunday School manuals. Shame is felt for the name Eccles for his sorry stand on such an enlightened letter. Connor,

This was great. I needed some of those quotes fast, and man, here you had a treasure trove of them.

It’s amazing how the First Presidency spoke so powerfully and eloquently and were in such dead on correct alignment with reality. They did not buy into the lies, propaganda, and false doctrines and sophistry of the “scheming leaders” of their day who filled the judgment seats of the nation. I sure wonder how big of a smuck Mr. Eccles was. I’ll let God be the judge, but Mr. Eccles opined that the letter to the First Presidency was un-enlightening. Well, Eccles has no spirit of truth in him for such a lamentable statement. Such a letter stands the test of time and should be taught and quoted in Sunday School manuals. Shame is felt for the name Eccles for his sorry stand on such an enlightened letter.

]]> By: Rebekah Whyte http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-66056 Rebekah Whyte Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:17:16 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-66056 Amazing research Connor. Thank you for picking up the slack of the journalists. Amazing research Connor. Thank you for picking up the slack of the journalists.

]]> By: Brian Hartwell http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-65961 Brian Hartwell Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:43:29 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-65961 Very well researched and interesting piece. Isolationists they were, and many still are. Eccles saw the damage that lax government controls effected on the economy, and had proposed many items that were included in the New Deal. The LDS church can take care of its own well, and the letter states that, but not everyone will ever become Mormon to participate in the church's welfare system, so the lengthy letter was of little use to the federal government. Very well researched and interesting piece. Isolationists they were, and many still are. Eccles saw the damage that lax government controls effected on the economy, and had proposed many items that were included in the New Deal. The LDS church can take care of its own well, and the letter states that, but not everyone will ever become Mormon to participate in the church’s welfare system, so the lengthy letter was of little use to the federal government.

]]> By: An American http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-65711 An American Mon, 03 Jan 2011 02:19:49 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-65711 These are amazing communications. The arrogance of Eccles is shocking since Eccles was also Mormon. I was surprised about this terse comment about the lengthy , patriotic letter from the LDS Presidency. That, however, explains so much about the meddling of Eccles and his heirs in Utah. (just doing research on them in the past month or so -- think Eccles Foundation that supports so many PBS programs and Utah's Planned Parenthood). Some posters have wondered about the apparent flip flop of the LDS Presidency from October 1941 and then an editorial comment in the Desert News April 1942. I would like to suggest that the clear letter with details of the love of Liberty, Freedom, Free Speech, US Constitution was used by the power folks in Washington DC to craft some means to bring in the Mormons and other like thinkers into their plot to drag the USA into World War II. As for FDR not knowing in advance about the Japanese plan to bomb Pearl Harbor -- I have a friend who is ex military and told me that FDR's pre knowledge about the bombing IS TAUGHT as fact at the US War College. Couple that with all of the other known facts one can only conclude that he had to have known. Back in 1937 the US government sent in a spy to Japan to film the layout of Tokyo from the tallest building there. THANKS so much for your research on this which I have found extremely enlightening to learn when the LDS Church still STOOD for something. I am certain that these three honorable and noble men are spinning in their graves (or looking from the other side of the veil) is horror that the LDS leaders have given $3 million to the United Nations in recent years; and millions more to the Catholic Church. I also now know how to fashion my prayers for my beloved nation per Pres. Grant's prayers to "confound" those who are trying to bring about the evils upon our nation. These are amazing communications. The arrogance of Eccles is shocking since Eccles was also Mormon. I was surprised about this terse comment about the lengthy , patriotic letter from the LDS Presidency. That, however, explains so much about the meddling of Eccles and his heirs in Utah. (just doing research on them in the past month or so — think Eccles Foundation that supports so many PBS programs and Utah’s Planned Parenthood).

Some posters have wondered about the apparent flip flop of the LDS Presidency from October 1941 and then an editorial comment in the Desert News April 1942. I would like to suggest that the clear letter with details of the love of Liberty, Freedom, Free Speech, US Constitution was used by the power folks in Washington DC to craft some means to bring in the Mormons and other like thinkers into their plot to drag the USA into World War II.

As for FDR not knowing in advance about the Japanese plan to bomb Pearl Harbor — I have a friend who is ex military and told me that FDR’s pre knowledge about the bombing IS TAUGHT as fact at the US War College. Couple that with all of the other known facts one can only conclude that he had to have known. Back in 1937 the US government sent in a spy to Japan to film the layout of Tokyo from the tallest building there.

THANKS so much for your research on this which I have found extremely enlightening to learn when the LDS Church still STOOD for something. I am certain that these three honorable and noble men are spinning in their graves (or looking from the other side of the veil) is horror that the LDS leaders have given $3 million to the United Nations in recent years; and millions more to the Catholic Church. I also now know how to fashion my prayers for my beloved nation per Pres. Grant’s prayers to “confound” those who are trying to bring about the evils upon our nation.

]]> By: Greg http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-65502 Greg Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:56:20 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-65502 Ralph - It is interesting if you compare <a href="http://www.believeallthings.com/1481/hegelian-dialectic/" rel="nofollow">Hegelian Dialectic</a> to the many "managed conflicts" around the world. Ralph – It is interesting if you compare Hegelian Dialectic to the many “managed conflicts” around the world.

]]> By: Kelly W. http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-65500 Kelly W. Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:34:05 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-65500 Yes Ben, That PATRIOT Act will protect us. Yes Ben,

That PATRIOT Act will protect us.

]]> By: Ben Nilson http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-65498 Ben Nilson Wed, 03 Nov 2010 05:03:17 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-65498 Now that our <em>public servants </em>in Washington have returned to the Constitution and Constitutional principles the threat against the Constitution has passed and we as members of the church can relax in the happy knowledge that "all is well in Zion." (heavy sarcasm intended). Now that our public servants in Washington have returned to the Constitution and Constitutional principles the threat against the Constitution has passed and we as members of the church can relax in the happy knowledge that “all is well in Zion.” (heavy sarcasm intended).

]]> By: Clif http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-64750 Clif Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:56:36 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-64750 Connor, Great post here! I'm really glad that Ralph commented on it and bumped this thread up in your comments or else I would never have seen it. I really appreciate your research here. Bravo! I knew that Heber J. Grant had been a Democrat all of his life. However, I was also aware that Pres. Grant had huge misgivings about FDR. As a guy who identifies with the Democratic party myself, I have wondered in the past why it was that President Grant was opposed to his own party's candidate. I was never really clear on that one. This helps a lot. Connor,

Great post here! I’m really glad that Ralph commented on it and bumped this thread up in your comments or else I would never have seen it. I really appreciate your research here. Bravo!

I knew that Heber J. Grant had been a Democrat all of his life. However, I was also aware that Pres. Grant had huge misgivings about FDR. As a guy who identifies with the Democratic party myself, I have wondered in the past why it was that President Grant was opposed to his own party’s candidate. I was never really clear on that one. This helps a lot.

]]> By: Ralph Hughes http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-64744 Ralph Hughes Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:09:08 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-64744 In re-reading the letters posted by Connor Boyack, I am impressed by President Grant's efforts to dissuade Church members from voting for FDR. We hear now that the Church does not support of favour any candidates. But it obviously did in past. I note the subject of Pearl Harbour was mentioned in a few posts. My own extensive investigaations into that conspiracy and into other issues have convinced me that FDR & Co. wanted the U.S.A. in WW2 to insure that the Soviet Union survived as a formidable world power. In re-reading the letters posted by Connor Boyack, I am impressed by President Grant’s efforts to dissuade Church members from voting for FDR. We hear now that the Church does not support of favour any candidates. But it obviously did in past.

I note the subject of Pearl Harbour was mentioned in a few posts. My own extensive investigaations into that conspiracy and into other issues have convinced me that FDR & Co. wanted the U.S.A. in WW2 to insure that the Soviet Union survived as a formidable world power.

]]> By: Mike http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-63251 Mike Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:09:02 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-63251 Connor, this is fantastic. Your work is much appreciated. Now the work becomes disseminating these "obscure" gems to the honest in heart who's minds are ready to act upon truth and prepare the hearts of men (and women) for what our "latter-day gadianton robbers" have in store. Our test has only begun. May our hearts not fail us in our time of adversity! Connor, this is fantastic. Your work is much appreciated. Now the work becomes disseminating these “obscure” gems to the honest in heart who’s minds are ready to act upon truth and prepare the hearts of men (and women) for what our “latter-day gadianton robbers” have in store. Our test has only begun. May our hearts not fail us in our time of adversity!

]]> By: Marc http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-treasury-from-the-lds-first-presidency-in-1941#comment-62845 Marc Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:27:27 +0000 http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/?p=1288#comment-62845 Nice job Connor! This piece dovetails nicely with <a href="http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/the-problematic-inward-vessel" rel="nofollow">your and Crawford Smith's piece</a> where you talk about the BOM wars and how those wars all come about through the action of some power seeking "dissenter". Those wars were not started because govt's did not see eye to eye but because of secret combinations. The same is true for us and the talks by Pres Clark point this out. That WWI and WWII were both started by power seeking dissenters using tragedy to whip the people up into a war furror. Now that we see the pattern and it is a very consistent pattern, is there any doubt about 9-11 and who was behind it? Is there any doubt that the "war on terror" is a complete sham? Nice job Connor! This piece dovetails nicely with your and Crawford Smith’s piece where you talk about the BOM wars and how those wars all come about through the action of some power seeking “dissenter”. Those wars were not started because govt’s did not see eye to eye but because of secret combinations. The same is true for us and the talks by Pres Clark point this out. That WWI and WWII were both started by power seeking dissenters using tragedy to whip the people up into a war furror.

Now that we see the pattern and it is a very consistent pattern, is there any doubt about 9-11 and who was behind it? Is there any doubt that the “war on terror” is a complete sham?

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