…speaking of broad brushes

Now about this thread…Connor’s bias vs. Glenn Beck would be comical, if it were meant in jest, but I get the impression, based upon Connor’s words, that he harbors a deep resentment of Glenn Beck and all who enjoy Glenn’s unique fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. The sort of immaturity about, rudeness toward, misrepresentation of, petty personal attacks against, and outright hostility toward Glenn Beck make clear that Connor doesn’t think straight when the subject of Glenn Beck is raised. Connor is right about most things, IMHO, but on the subject of Glenn, he’s off his rocker.

For those who refuse to listen to or watch Glenn Beck, and therefore know not of what they type, Glenn has had many death threats from 9/11 ‘truthers’ and other Ron Paul fanatics, and since he and his family have been the target of many death threats, from phoned-in death threats to a car with a Ron Paul sticker attempted to force his tour bus off the road shortly after he made his earlier comments re: 9/11 ‘truthers,’ to a specific threat that required him to hire an additional six dignitary protection officers to supplement his security detail when he visited Utah back in 2008 (IIRC), the nutjobs vehemently hate Glenn Beck. I’m not saying that Connor or his readers are like that, but they don’t appear to be aware of this fact.

Glenn Beck is a threat to both the left, and the insane right, and the crazies from both sides of the spectrum want him dead. Glenn Beck has had more grief from 9/11 ‘truthers’ than anybody alive, from what I have gathered (save George W. Bush and his cabinet, obviously!). And I’m not just talking the sort of grief that is merely frustrating. I’m talking the sort that prompts you to pray more earnestly for the safety of your family, and to wear bulletproof vests, and to pay an extra $Million a year for enhanced security options from your security provider.

So his attitude toward 9/11 ‘truthers’ is understandable, regardless of any other factors. I doubt any of his detractors on here would be nearly so kind about their adversaries if they were acting in such a dishonorable, violent, hateful manner.

And for the record, Carborendum, http://debunking911.com is a great resource for those who don’t buy into Alex Jones’ (and Van Jones’) conspiracy theories.

IMHO, the 9/11 troofer conspiracy theory is just a smokescreen (which was conjured up by the radical left) to distract from the actual conspiracy fact which they knew would eventually come out, and which is now being exposed by Glenn Beck each and every day.

When the radical left accuses our side of doing something, you can bet they’re guilty of the same, or something substantially similar!

9-11 truthers such as Van Jones are not seeking truth. Any discriminating mind would see that it’s this activist’s personal agenda directing his actions. His “inquiries” into the truth are not based on honestly held beliefs. He’s a hater.

My neighbor is also a truther. Decent, hard-working, blue collar type guy believes George Bush brought down the towers. I think that’s nutz, but my neighbor is beyond distrustful of government and believes it to be sophisticated and coordinated to a truly phenomenol degree. You might call him an honest truth-seeker, or maybe he’s just looking for a reason his life isn’t as good as it could be, nonetheless he’s not signing petitions or forming marches. He’s simply watching doctored videos on You Tube. There’s the difference.

I’m naturally suspcious of “truthers”, just because I haven’t heard a plausible theory yet. And secondly, because of the obviously political agenda behind the movement.

This is hardly the first time Beck has sought an opportunity to target the community with a loose reference from a singular event; based on his behavior, I’m guessing it won’t be the last.

Here’s the latest example of Glenn wetting his pants when encountering somebody who dares to not pledge allegiance to the 9/11 Commission Report.

This shows you that anyone who questions the leadership of the USA is not fit to hold office.

Doesn’t sound like the America I was raised to believe in.

But, I have come to realize that many sources are in a gray area where you don’t know for sure because some of the things they will say DO bear fruit, yet some of the things they say end up bearing bad fruit.

I have come to realize there is a simpler way to be able to definitively judge whether the source is proclaiming Truth or whether it is there to deceive you. Here is my simple way to judge:

If the source also recognizes that 9/11 was an inside job, then you can trust the site or source. If the source is silent on this issue, or if the source denies 9/11 Truth, then you can know the source is out to deceive or cover-up the truth.

Therefore, since Glenn Beck denounces 9/11 Truth, the things he says which “sound and ring true” are only there to deceive you. This puts Beck in the camp of a “gate keeper.”

A gate keeper is one who will let the public only go so far – - he will bash Obama and even bash Bush and will bash the government in order to keep a group of followers in his camp. But when his followers want to discuss other taboo things (like 9/11), he is there to “keep the gate” and not let any discussion go into that realm of questioning the anomolies of 9/11 and who might really be the culprits behind the greatest crime of the history of the earth.

The reason that 9/11 is the key to whether the source can be trusted or not is that there are all sorts of gate keepers. There are right-wing gatekeepers and left-wing gate keepers. But no matter what persuasion the gate keeper is, none will let their followers past the gate of 9/11 Truth.

I am curious to know what you folks think about Glenn Beck’s painting “truthers” as marxist useful idiots?

I perfer Lou Dobbs over Glenn Beck myself.

1) “I never said you were evil. Nor did I ever say you believed in evil things.” When I quoted Isaiah there I, as he, was speaking about war. War is what many “conservative” Mormon’s accept as OK because this one is a Holy War. When Bush had a 13 – 18% approval rating in the rest of the States over his war in Iraq, Utah and Wyoming were still above 50%.

2) “I have not voted for either major party in any national office for the past 10 years.” I gave up on that with the Perot, Bush, Clinton thing…what was that 1990?

4) I said that a Marine turned pacifist was weird. It is. I didn’t say it was wrong. I didn’t say it was BAD. In fact, I applaud your change of mind on an issue like this. But you must admit that it is at least unusual? Or am I speaking out of ignorance here? Concur.

5) As far as “not offending”– I don’t think that’s the right word for it. It is about love. It’s a question of force. Actually, it’s a question of agency.
Agree 100%. And your comments about getting people to follow the train of logic, IS good. D&C 121 is the “most important” revelation in our day according to Pres. David O. McKay. It just seems some of these topics…like 9/11 for instance, are issues people don’t WANT to understand. My adopted father would rather believe a “nephew” of his that doesn’t think the buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions OVER my personal witness in Dr. Jones’ office as his nemesis, another PhD in Physics changes his mind as he saw the results from the “thermate balls” that Jones showed us. Or my natural father, who IS a Nuclear Physicist, and said he “just can’t look into it right now because of the fires (He lives in Santa Barbara) and he does not want anything else depressing in his life…” So two of the men I most respect on this planet, refuse to look into the events of 9/11.

How does one get that message across to people that refuse to even “look into it?” Its frustration, not “hate” that is seeping out. One must be willing to educate themselves….but MOST won’t.

1) I never said you were evil. Nor did I ever say you believed in evil things.

2) I have not voted for either major party in any national office for the past 10 years.

3) I get around paying taxes and end up giving quite a bit to charity. Not anymore. I’m currently unemployed.

4) I said that a Marine turned pacifist was weird. It is. I didn’t say it was wrong. I didn’t say it was BAD. In fact, I applaud your change of mind on an issue like this. But you must admit that it is at least unusual? Or am I speaking out of ignorance here?

5) As far as “not offending”– I don’t think that’s the right word for it. It is about love. It’s a question of force. Actually, it’s a question of agency.

You’ve heard the old adage,”No one cares how much you know, until they know how much you care.” I used to think it was a meaningless axiom made up by trite individuals. But as I’ve gotten older, managed people at work, raised kids, I’m just beginning to understand how true it is. Consider “The Greatest Salesman in the World”. Consider 1Corinthians 13.

I was never offended at anything you said. I just felt like I was being shoved rather than led. Others will agree with you because they’re already there with you. But if you want to persuade someone to move from their position, you can’t shove. You have to lead.

If you throw things at people (be they epithets or ideologies) they tend to either return the attack, or they run away. If instead, you lead:

by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned; by kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy; That he may know that thy faithfulness is stronger than the cords of death. Let thy bowels also be full of charity towards all men, and to the household of faith, and let virtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly; then shall thy confidence wax strong in the presence of God; and the doctrine of the priesthood shall distil upon thy soul as the dews from heaven.

If you love others, they will tend to want to come to YOU. If you fight, they will want to run.

While I’m no master at this myself. I at least try. And I believe a lot of the gospel is simply trying. As long as you keep trying, I will call you my friend.

Oh and Carborendum, the reason I pointed out the “M” thing is because you were questioning my being a Marine, not because I care about your grammer….and even writers for the NY Times get that wrong. Its just a “Marine thing,” that most people don’t understand unless they’ve been a Marine.