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	<title>Comments on: GOED: Redistributing Utah&#8217;s Wealth</title>
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		<title>By: Doug Bayless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Bayless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Connor.  I try to pay some attention to the way things work around here but I didn&#039;t even know what GOED was.  I&#039;m aware that most governments (the rest of the states, certainly the Feds, even most municipalities) do this kind of thing (it&#039;s often expected) but I think it is a fair question to ask if we really want to follow the path of &#039;most governments&#039;.

With you, I question the wisdom of unelected (read: unaccountable) government groups getting to siphon off taxpayer money directly to big politically connected companies instead of leaving it with the taxpayers to invest into their own businesses and incur risk of their own choice.

Your point about how we&#039;re allowing our Utah State

&lt;blockquote&gt;government to arbitrarily pick winners and losers in the marketplace&lt;/blockquote&gt;

is well-taken.  That&#039;s pretty much the polar opposite of the freedom and liberty our forebears gave so much to establish in this nation.

All that said, however, it can be a big problem that expectation of those incentives is so entrenched in the system.  My understanding of the reason Walmart (and their ginormous tax base) went to Springville and Payson (skipping unfortunate Spanish Fork) is that Spanish Fork (for whatever reason) didn&#039;t want to play the non-level-playing-field incentives game -- and their neighbors did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Connor.  I try to pay some attention to the way things work around here but I didn&#8217;t even know what GOED was.  I&#8217;m aware that most governments (the rest of the states, certainly the Feds, even most municipalities) do this kind of thing (it&#8217;s often expected) but I think it is a fair question to ask if we really want to follow the path of &#8216;most governments&#8217;.</p>
<p>With you, I question the wisdom of unelected (read: unaccountable) government groups getting to siphon off taxpayer money directly to big politically connected companies instead of leaving it with the taxpayers to invest into their own businesses and incur risk of their own choice.</p>
<p>Your point about how we&#8217;re allowing our Utah State</p>
<blockquote><p>government to arbitrarily pick winners and losers in the marketplace</p></blockquote>
<p>is well-taken.  That&#8217;s pretty much the polar opposite of the freedom and liberty our forebears gave so much to establish in this nation.</p>
<p>All that said, however, it can be a big problem that expectation of those incentives is so entrenched in the system.  My understanding of the reason Walmart (and their ginormous tax base) went to Springville and Payson (skipping unfortunate Spanish Fork) is that Spanish Fork (for whatever reason) didn&#8217;t want to play the non-level-playing-field incentives game &#8212; and their neighbors did.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the sum total of the tax breaks given out by the GOED, and what are the quantifiable benefits derived from them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the sum total of the tax breaks given out by the GOED, and what are the quantifiable benefits derived from them?</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff, perhaps you could define socialism, because what you described fits my definition of it. Referring to taxes as &quot;investment&quot; doesn&#039;t change the fact that it was an involuntary confiscation of property. If there is competition in the global market place, why not let individuals get together and invest their money in order to obtain a return on it? What has the state got to do with investments and returns? What does it benefit the individual when the state gets a return on the individual&#039;s investment? That sounds like a loss to me.

You say &quot;our tax payer investment in promoting tourism produces a positive return to the state in the form of taxes through increased production of goods and services.&quot; Aside from this being a classic example of the broken window fallacy, you are describing socialism (or collectivism if you want to call it that) while claiming that it isn&#039;t. You rationalize this because &quot;There is no private, for profit business paradigm for this kind of promotion.&quot; It might seem like a good idea to you, but what if you thought it was a bad idea? Would you still support collective investment for the state&#039;s profit?

If socialism is the redistribution of wealth and the centralization of control of the means of production, then you have described it with your very denial. I don&#039;t know what else socialism is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff, perhaps you could define socialism, because what you described fits my definition of it. Referring to taxes as &#8220;investment&#8221; doesn&#8217;t change the fact that it was an involuntary confiscation of property. If there is competition in the global market place, why not let individuals get together and invest their money in order to obtain a return on it? What has the state got to do with investments and returns? What does it benefit the individual when the state gets a return on the individual&#8217;s investment? That sounds like a loss to me.</p>
<p>You say &#8220;our tax payer investment in promoting tourism produces a positive return to the state in the form of taxes through increased production of goods and services.&#8221; Aside from this being a classic example of the broken window fallacy, you are describing socialism (or collectivism if you want to call it that) while claiming that it isn&#8217;t. You rationalize this because &#8220;There is no private, for profit business paradigm for this kind of promotion.&#8221; It might seem like a good idea to you, but what if you thought it was a bad idea? Would you still support collective investment for the state&#8217;s profit?</p>
<p>If socialism is the redistribution of wealth and the centralization of control of the means of production, then you have described it with your very denial. I don&#8217;t know what else socialism is.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conner, You are wrong about this.

Utah competes for tourism and business on a global level against no only the other states, but also other countries.

There is no private, for profit business paradigm for this kind of promotion.  i.e Why would I invest money with no possibility of a profit reward?

In the other hand, we know that our tax payer investment in promoting tourism produces a positive return to the state in the form of taxes through increased production of goods and services.

This is not socialism, it is smart business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conner, You are wrong about this.</p>
<p>Utah competes for tourism and business on a global level against no only the other states, but also other countries.</p>
<p>There is no private, for profit business paradigm for this kind of promotion.  i.e Why would I invest money with no possibility of a profit reward?</p>
<p>In the other hand, we know that our tax payer investment in promoting tourism produces a positive return to the state in the form of taxes through increased production of goods and services.</p>
<p>This is not socialism, it is smart business.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Mecham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Mecham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 05:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of Utah politicians are Republican, but certainly not &quot;conservative&quot; in the sense of conserving our rights and freedom.

The interesting thing is that it seems like an easier task to rally together to defeat Utah&#039;s national politicians (i.e. Chris Cannon) than it might be to de-seat some of the local ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of Utah politicians are Republican, but certainly not &#8220;conservative&#8221; in the sense of conserving our rights and freedom.</p>
<p>The interesting thing is that it seems like an easier task to rally together to defeat Utah&#8217;s national politicians (i.e. Chris Cannon) than it might be to de-seat some of the local ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Rock Waterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rock Waterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connor, very well said as always.

And concise!  Good heavens, man!  How do you do it?

I just finished a piece over at my own blog that was so long I had to divide it into two parts.  And it probably should have been four.

If I ever learn how to write as astutely and concisely as Connor Boyack, I will have attained my life-long dream.

-Rock Waterman
http://PureMormonism.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connor, very well said as always.</p>
<p>And concise!  Good heavens, man!  How do you do it?</p>
<p>I just finished a piece over at my own blog that was so long I had to divide it into two parts.  And it probably should have been four.</p>
<p>If I ever learn how to write as astutely and concisely as Connor Boyack, I will have attained my life-long dream.</p>
<p>-Rock Waterman<br />
<a href="http://PureMormonism.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://PureMormonism.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: TKC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!!  Great post.  I had never thought of those things before for what they are, even though those ornate overpasses did upset me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!!  Great post.  I had never thought of those things before for what they are, even though those ornate overpasses did upset me.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert J. Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert J. Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Connor.  I agree with you.  Socialism is creeping into every aspect of our lives and most are not aware.  Lisa, I too feel that the ornate underpasses are overly expensive.  I am beginning to wonder if we have lost the principles and concepts of what makes us a free people.  As Frederic Bastiat points out, we are using the law for legal plunder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Connor.  I agree with you.  Socialism is creeping into every aspect of our lives and most are not aware.  Lisa, I too feel that the ornate underpasses are overly expensive.  I am beginning to wonder if we have lost the principles and concepts of what makes us a free people.  As Frederic Bastiat points out, we are using the law for legal plunder.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Greenhalgh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Greenhalgh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciated your article!  It is good to question this type of thing.  As I was driving on I-215 I noticed the beautiful cement embossed mural on one of the underpasses.  I wonder what that cost?  Am I the only one who feels that beautification projects should be contributed to voluntarily?  So many public projects (including schools) seems overly ornate and fancy when we could do with a more simple and cheaper alternative!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciated your article!  It is good to question this type of thing.  As I was driving on I-215 I noticed the beautiful cement embossed mural on one of the underpasses.  I wonder what that cost?  Am I the only one who feels that beautification projects should be contributed to voluntarily?  So many public projects (including schools) seems overly ornate and fancy when we could do with a more simple and cheaper alternative!</p>
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