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I apoligize for not writing sooner. I am willing to tell you how I’ve come across some experts who have become good friends and helped me to understand the true meaning of freedom in America. If you are open to learning, my email address is lbrown0715@hotmail.com. I do not mean to be hardpressed, but I am passionate about this country. I hope you will be able to email me.

Mahalo and Long Live the Republic!

I dare you or anyone else to ask me how to return this responsibility back to it’s rightful owner.

How do you do that?

I am not confused. I know what I said. And I say it again. A Republic is THE ONLY answer that has been given to man at this time of age. If anything else is brought to pass it it because of sin and complacency that such cannot be maintained.

If a people democratically vote to make prostitution legal, does it make right? The “mob” will not always choose the right in a democracy. That is why a Republic will ALWAYS win. Becuase the standard having been set (the Constitution) and a person (the President of The United States of America) from the authority of the people has the DUTY to uphold the Constitution IN ALL FACETS OF THE LAW AND LIFE, not just what the “mob” or his personal desires are.

The problem is, who is that person? Is she/he just? Righteous? A patriot? A statesmen/woman or a bloody politician? As for socialism what comes to mind is the Plan given by Lucifer in the premortal life, that ALL would be take care of…..just give him all the power and glory.

I say again, these things aren’t bloody rocket science. The Lord established the government of this people in the United States. The reason it’s in the crap hole is because WE THE PEOPLE let it go this far.

THIS IS NOT OPINION Brother. IT’S FACT. We The People are the ruler. Not the servant. We have ALWAYS had the power to make the wrong things right. We’ve just been too scared to use it. I dare you or anyone else to ask me how to return this responsibility back to it’s rightful owner. I am a patriot. I love this country. She was always meant to be the light for all to see. Not to be hated or seen as a bully. America is THE Beautiful. Let us show others it has always been that.

Jay

You know, I think that part of the frustration for the average citizen is that, in light of the immense amounts of money being spent on maintaining our military forces in countless places around the world, in addition to waging major military campaigns in Irag and Afghanistan right now, people can’t help but imagine what all that money could purchase in the way of socialized medical care instead.

Unfortunately, the amounts being spent in Afghanistan and Iraq right now are being put on the citizens’ credit card and are going to have to be paid for down the road.

To put the government in charge of health care is to create a huge bureaucracy to regulate everything. The more people who are involved in the entire health care process, the more people there are who have to be paid for their participation in the process, and costs go up. If you think it’s bad now, just wait until the government really gets involved.

Jay

Jay

If socialism is so great why did the Founding Fathers make the United States of America a bloody Republic? If our Founding Fathers are “supposedly” the greatest group of men to come to earth at one time and be in one country at one time, why would they pick a Republic? Why would the Lord say in Doctrine and Covenants 101:77 & 79 “According to the laws and CONSTITUTION of the people, which I have SUFFERED to be established, and should be maintained for the RIGHT and PROTECTION OF ALL FLESH, according to just and holy principles; And for this purpose have I ESTABLISHED THE CONSTITUTION of this land, by the hands of WISE MEN whom I RAISED UP unto this very PURPOSE, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.”

The Lord answers it for us why this form (a Constitutional Republic) of government works. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HE ALLOWED TO HAVE HAPPEN. Not socialism, not democracy, not a monarchy.

It’s simple really, all we need are the principles that have upheld righteousness. With those principles man cannot stray. But when we try to interpet those principles, we break ourselves against them. It’s not rocket sience. Freedom is not a study, it’s a way of life, only meant to be lived, only to be experienced by practise in daily life. Just like the gospel. It’s not rocket science. It’s simple, to fully understand it, it must be lived, not just studied.

As Elder Oaks said in a recent conference talk, there are good things, then things that are better, and finally there are the BEST things. Yeah, maybe a socialist kind of government might be good. But maybe a democracy could be better. But the BEST is a Republic.

When thoughts speak to your heart and mind, it doesn’t really matter what the rest of the world says. Because, like principles, no one can break them. They can only break themselves against them. Truth will either free us, or truth will condem us. We should be careful where we find ourselves when it comes to searching for answers. You might have a picture, but I can assure you that you do not have the full picture. Because if you did, you would not be saying the things you say now. And you would not be doing the things you are doing right now. Truth is more than knowledge. It is power to do the right thing. I challenge you to find more of the REAL truth. All you gotta do is ask.

Not at all. I was pointing out as a rebuttal to your previous comment that a commandment doesn’t necessarily imply force. That’s all. That hardly means that kings don’t use force, and I believe that you knew that, but were just being a bit sarcastic.

“Forgive me if I’m interpreting you wrongly, but you don’t seem to be inclined to engage me with intellect, but with a zeal to believe that socialism isn’t condoned in the Book of Mormon”

I think it would be more correct to say that I don’t believe that the Book of Mormon makes a case for righteous socialism. That would be a correct assessment of my opinion. I’m willing to consider it if you have a good example.

“which doesn’t allow you to consider the possibililties beyond spitting out the apparent knee-jerk responses we see here.”

A knee-jerk response is one that is automatic, not well thought out, and emotional. Admittedly, I am emotional about socialism, but as I correctly pointed out, your implication that Limhi used force was apparently flawed. If anything, your reaction to verse 17 was knee-jerk, not my rebuttal to your post. I was diffusing a discussion that had no basis to begin with. If that’s knee-jerk, then I guess I’m guilty.

Jay

You are also correct in pointing out that Limhi was a just man, but I think it is a mistake to think that he wasn’t converted to the Gospel yet. A few verses earlier we read that the people cried to God for relief from their burdens. He hadn’t been baptized yet, but as you know, conversion and baptism don’t mean the same thing.

As far as Jay’s arguement goes, I have no answer for such amazing logic. I suppose that Jay means that since God is a king, all kings issue commands without forcing the people to obey them. Forgive me if I’m interpreting you wrongly, but you don’t seem to be inclined to engage me with intellect, but with a zeal to believe that socialism isn’t condoned in the Book of Mormon which doesn’t allow you to consider the possibililties beyond spitting out the apparent knee-jerk responses we see here.

Jay

There are various unknown factors regarding this scripture. We know that Limhi was a just man, but he was not converted to the gospel until later, when Ammon & co. arrive to preach the gospel. Thus, the commandment wasn’t necessarily a righteous one.

Regardless of divine approval, we also don’t know whether force was used in this commandment. Was the commandment simply a government-issued encouragement, much like a modern campaign to promote recycling? Was there punishment for failing to comply?

Also, I find it interesting that the people were commanded to help each other. Nowhere do we read of Limhi’s kingly administration overseeing the wealth distribution. Removing government from central distribution is a large factor in determining whether or not this qualifies as socialism.

I’d say that if it was done by force, then he was doing Satan’s work. But I tend to think that it wasn’t done by force.

Jay

Reference:

17 Now there was a great number of women, more than there was of men; therefore king Limhi commanded that every man should impart to the support of the widows and their children, that they might not perish with hunger; and this they did because of the greatness of their number that had been slain.