September 3rd, 2006

Iraqi War Fatalities

I came across this flash animation this morning showing the progression of killed soldiers in Iraq. It’s heartwrenching to think that each one of these dots flickering before your eyes is a person…

War sucks. Especially when it’s one you shouldn’t be fighting. Yes, terrorism is bad. No, we should not be over there. We shouldn’t be worshipping false gods, as says President Kimball:

We are a warlike people, easily distracted from our assignment of preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we commit vast resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel—ships, planes, missiles, fortifications—and depend on them for protection and deliverance. When threatened, we become anti-enemy instead of pro-kingdom of God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot, thus, in the manner of Satan’s counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting the Savior’s teaching:

“Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
“That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 5:44-45)

We forget that if we are righteous the Lord will either not suffer our enemies to come upon us — and this is the special promise to the inhabitants of the land of the Americas (see 2 Ne. 1:7) — or he will fight our battles for us (Exod. 14:14; D&C 98:37, to name only two references of many).

When it comes down to it, the only way to stop terrorism and bring peace to the earth is to preach the gospel.

26 Responses to “Iraqi War Fatalities”

  1. the narrator
    September 3, 2006 at 12:42 pm #

    I’m surprised you are against the war.

    While it is tragic how many US and “Coalition of the Willing” soldiers have needlessly loss their lives to American neo-conservative idealism, these numbers are almost nothing compared to the nearly 50,000 Iraqi civilians and 150,000+ Iraq “soldiers” who have lost their lives because of America’s attack on Iraq.

  2. the narrator
    September 3, 2006 at 12:47 pm #

    Furthermore, I don’t think the best cure of terrorism is necessarily preaching the gospel, but rather taking a queue from Ammon and showing the Gospel (and by that, I mean the Gospel of communal love taught by Christ, and not just the Gospel of individualistic salvation preached by American Christianity (and much of modern Mormonism)).

  3. James
    September 4, 2006 at 1:18 pm #

    What would your response have been to 9-11-01?

  4. Alan
    September 4, 2006 at 2:57 pm #

    I’ve always believed that most of the world’s problems could be eliminated if more people/societies lived more closely to more pure Christian virtues.

    That said, as long as people have free will/agency and opt not to, I’m thankful that our nation’s false gods can kick every other nation’s false god’s ass.

  5. the narrator
    September 4, 2006 at 4:02 pm #

    James:

    My response would have been to reevaluate the role that American foreign policy plays in the construction of anti-American hatred and terrorism in the Middle East. It would not have been to utilize American fear as a catalyst for attacking a country and people which were not responsible for 9/11.

    The only thing that related 9/11 and Iraq was that Bush used the former as propaganda to implement his neo-conservative idealism which included attacking the latter.

  6. Connor
    September 4, 2006 at 6:49 pm #

    James:

    It is my belief that 9/11 was either assisted or planned in full by select government officials. Once you have this belief, you have a different point of view on what to do “in response to” 9/11. More on this at the bottom of this comment…

    Alan:

    Well said. I chuckled.

    Narrator:

    Are you sitting down? You and I actually agree upon something. Don’t let it go to your head too quickly :)

    A co-worker of mine came across an interesting quote on the 1984 wikipedia page by Hermann Göring, one of the Nazi Reich Marshals tried in the Nuremberg Trials. It reads as follows:

    “Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

    Coming from a Nazi, it is scary how closely that quote has been played out in our day. I don’t have much time to comment on this, but I plan to blog about this sometime this week and offer a few related citations and comments, since it merits its own post.

  7. James
    September 5, 2006 at 7:43 am #

    Connor, don’t tell me you believe in the Loose Change mumbo jumbo…

  8. Connor
    September 5, 2006 at 8:39 am #

    James:

    While Loose Change did have its errors and somewhat misleading parts, it did a pretty good job at listing all of the many fallacies and fictions of the official 9/11 report.

    Labeling it as “mumbo jumbo” attempts to discredit the entire thing, thus discrediting all questions, skepticisms, and disbelief regarding the government’s 9/11 story. There are far too many unanswered questions, fallacious reporting, and flat out incorrect data in the 9/11 report.

    After everything I’ve read, watched, listened to, and studied, I do believe that the government was in some way involved in 9/11. Whether they turned a blind eye, assisted in it, or planned it in full, I cannot say. The official report leaves much in want, and Uncle Sam needs to step up and answer a few questions if he wants to prove himself innocent.

  9. the narrator
    September 5, 2006 at 8:55 am #

    There are far too many unanswered questions

    Or there are lots of answers that these conspiratorial loonies (such as Steve Jones) fail to acknowledge and respond to.

  10. steven
    September 6, 2006 at 7:19 pm #

    “Love our enemies?” If we used that logic during WW2 we would all be speaking German. Let me repeat that “We would all be speaking German.” Thankfully we had brighter minds at work during the 1940’s.

  11. the narrator
    September 6, 2006 at 9:49 pm #

    “Love our enemies?” If we used that logic during WW2 we would all be speaking German. Let me repeat that “We would all be speaking German.” Thankfully we had brighter minds at work during the 1940’s.

    First, no. We would not be speaking German. Perhaps Britain and France (though highly unlikely), but not the US. An overseas attack would have been pathetically impracticle for the Nazi regime.

    Second, if the notion to love one’s enemies were used following the first world war, there would not have been the major depression in Germany which led to the rise of Hitler and his regime. Hate begets hate. War begets war. It always has. It always will.

  12. Connor
    September 6, 2006 at 11:52 pm #

    Steven:

    Are you suggesting that those leading the Allieds in WWII were “brighter minds” than Jesus?

    Let us not forget the example of the Anti-Nephi-Lehies, who submitted to their enemies.

    I am not advocating surrender, defeatism, or the like. If the enemy attacks, I think we are justified in defending ourselves:

    And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion. (Alma 43:47)

    Iraq has not attacked us, our families, lands, country, rights, or religion. Pre-emptive war is not justified.

  13. steven
    September 7, 2006 at 8:19 am #

    I am certainly not a proponent of the war in Iraq. But there are times when there is no other option except war and the killing of ones enemies.

  14. Connor
    September 7, 2006 at 8:38 am #

    America has many other enemies in many other countries that we are not killing. This is because they are not attacking us. There is no need for an immediate defense against them. Killing is only justified in defense. Iraq is (or should be) no exception.

  15. the narrator
    September 7, 2006 at 9:16 am #

    But there are times when there is no other option except war and the killing of ones enemies.

    Within a Christian worldview, you just lack faith in God.

  16. steven
    September 7, 2006 at 4:18 pm #

    God helps those who help themselves.

  17. the narrator
    September 7, 2006 at 5:39 pm #

    God helps those who help themselves.

    Read the Sermon on the Mount. God helps those who need help. The Anti-Nephi-Lehi’s saw the smallest # of total death in their passivism than almost any other military altercation in the BofM. Furthermoe, whereas violent responses ALWAYS brew more violence in the BofM, the ANL’s passivism actually converted others to a Christian life.

  18. steven
    September 8, 2006 at 2:33 pm #

    I dont think Osama Bin Laden has read “The Sermon on the Mount.” He has only one goal and that is the total destruction of the free world as we know it. Preaching to Bin Laden and his ilk is hopeless. Jesus also said “My kingdom is not of this world.”

  19. Connor
    September 8, 2006 at 2:40 pm #

    It’s kind of hard for a dead guy to read anything.

  20. steven
    September 8, 2006 at 3:48 pm #

    We can only hope that Bin Laden is dead. He has followers who are very much alive and well. Dispatching bad people is a marathon and not a sprint. Rome was not built in a day.

  21. Connor
    September 8, 2006 at 3:52 pm #

    And while we wait for “Rome to be built”, our liberties are eroded as the government seeks more and more power. As I stated earlier, there is aboslutely no justification in the war we are fighting. We have not been attacked by the Iraqis. We must pull out as quickly as is feasible.

  22. steven
    September 8, 2006 at 5:04 pm #

    I have stated that I am not a big fan of the war in Iraq. I prize my liberties as much as you do and I dont want any of mine taken away either. ” A society that gives up liberties for the sake of security gains neither.”
    I hear every word you are saying. Im just saying sometimes to preserve liberty requires the killing of bad people. Once something is lost or forfeited it is very hard to regain it.
    I agree a withdrawal from Iraq as quickly as possible is needed.

  23. Curtis
    December 12, 2006 at 2:16 pm #

    What sucks even more is if we think about how the animation above would look if it were registering each of the 655,000 estimated excess deaths of Iraqis that have taken place since the war began. We often forget the mortality on the other side, and weep over our own dead.

  24. Sam Hennis
    January 10, 2007 at 1:01 am #

    Now go to this website and watch these video clips concerning the war in Iraq:
    http://www.awakeandarise.org/article/OutofIraq.htm

  25. Connor
    January 10, 2007 at 1:05 am #

    After watching those videos a few weeks ago I posted a couple w/ my comments. Beat ya to it! :)

  26. Sam Hennis
    January 10, 2007 at 11:31 pm #

    It seems that every time I have something to share, you’ve already read it or seen It! :)

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