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	<title>Comments on: Kirby Heyborne&#8217;s Promotion of Babylon</title>
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		<title>By: bryce</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-65127</link>
		<dc:creator>bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really shows the character of the members of the mormon church who, time and time again, throw their own &quot;under the bus&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really shows the character of the members of the mormon church who, time and time again, throw their own &#8220;under the bus&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-56212</link>
		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Babylon is a good name for current social promotion in America, as around the world.

Knowing the Bible doesn&#039;t seem to help much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babylon is a good name for current social promotion in America, as around the world.</p>
<p>Knowing the Bible doesn&#8217;t seem to help much.</p>
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		<title>By: brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-56126</link>
		<dc:creator>brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If offending the sensibilities of idealistic mormons wasn&#039;t enough, Kirby&#039;s latest &lt;a href=&quot;http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2008/07/snickers-unload.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commercial for snickers candy bars was yanked off the tube&lt;/a&gt; because gay rights groups have claimed it is homophobic.  Poor guy, now the gays and the mormons hate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If offending the sensibilities of idealistic mormons wasn&#8217;t enough, Kirby&#8217;s latest <a href="http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2008/07/snickers-unload.html" rel="nofollow">commercial for snickers candy bars was yanked off the tube</a> because gay rights groups have claimed it is homophobic.  Poor guy, now the gays and the mormons hate him.</p>
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		<title>By: MAB</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-56118</link>
		<dc:creator>MAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take it easy on him, guys.  It&#039;s tough for a guy like him to make a living by acting.  Do you attack the LDS mechanic who fixes the Budweiser truck, thereby directly aiding the distribution of alcohol?  What about the LDS waiter at Olive Garden who actually serves the wine to guests? Kirby gets a rough time of it because he is so visible.  If anything having to do with beer is so horrible, then why are you even watching the commercials?  I&#039;m sure if he had more options on the table, he wouldn&#039;t have chosen that one.  Give him the benefit of the doubt.  Let the guy live his life and support his family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take it easy on him, guys.  It&#8217;s tough for a guy like him to make a living by acting.  Do you attack the LDS mechanic who fixes the Budweiser truck, thereby directly aiding the distribution of alcohol?  What about the LDS waiter at Olive Garden who actually serves the wine to guests? Kirby gets a rough time of it because he is so visible.  If anything having to do with beer is so horrible, then why are you even watching the commercials?  I&#8217;m sure if he had more options on the table, he wouldn&#8217;t have chosen that one.  Give him the benefit of the doubt.  Let the guy live his life and support his family.</p>
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		<title>By: average life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; leave kirby alone!</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-56010</link>
		<dc:creator>average life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; leave kirby alone!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] against him for recently appearing in a Miller Lite commercial.Â  Comments on the Youtube page and around the bloggernacle express disappointment, outrage, and even throw around doubts to Mr. Heyborne&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] against him for recently appearing in a Miller Lite commercial.Â  Comments on the Youtube page and around the bloggernacle express disappointment, outrage, and even throw around doubts to Mr. Heyborne&rsquo;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: donny</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55969</link>
		<dc:creator>donny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an article for your reading pleasure:

http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/273505/149/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an article for your reading pleasure:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/273505/149/" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/273505/149/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55840</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&amp;sid=3739448&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; interesting, in light of &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-55400&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bryson&#039;s comment&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;A Las Vegas man who was the creative brains behind a calendar that features shirtless Mormon missionaries is facing a disciplinary hearing and possible excommunication for the project. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found <a href="http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&#038;sid=3739448" rel="nofollow">this article</a> interesting, in light of <a href="#comment-55400" rel="nofollow">Bryson&#8217;s comment</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>A Las Vegas man who was the creative brains behind a calendar that features shirtless Mormon missionaries is facing a disciplinary hearing and possible excommunication for the project. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: adamf</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55755</link>
		<dc:creator>adamf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who think we should all refrain from judging Heyborne&#039;s promotion of beer, there is some nice satirical catharsis found in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sltrib.com/columnists/ci_9788467?source=rss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robert Kirby&#039;s column today at the trib&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who think we should all refrain from judging Heyborne&#8217;s promotion of beer, there is some nice satirical catharsis found in <a href="http://www.sltrib.com/columnists/ci_9788467?source=rss" rel="nofollow">Robert Kirby&#8217;s column today at the trib</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55730</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just returned from running some errands, and while driving on I-15 passed the billboard for the company &quot;Dear Elder&quot;.  Kirby has been their poster boy for years, smiling down with glee at all the passersby.

Not anymore.

The billboard now has a silhouette of a person with a question mark in the middle, and the text on the billboard says something to the effect of &quot;We need a new face!  Nominate somebody today!&quot;.  

Should you care, you can nominate Kirby&#039;s successor &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dearelder.com/index/inc_name/missionary_nomination/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on their website&lt;/a&gt;.

Guess they didn&#039;t want to have to photoshop Kirby with a Miller Lite bottle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just returned from running some errands, and while driving on I-15 passed the billboard for the company &#8220;Dear Elder&#8221;.  Kirby has been their poster boy for years, smiling down with glee at all the passersby.</p>
<p>Not anymore.</p>
<p>The billboard now has a silhouette of a person with a question mark in the middle, and the text on the billboard says something to the effect of &#8220;We need a new face!  Nominate somebody today!&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Should you care, you can nominate Kirby&#8217;s successor <a href="http://www.dearelder.com/index/inc_name/missionary_nomination/" rel="nofollow">on their website</a>.</p>
<p>Guess they didn&#8217;t want to have to photoshop Kirby with a Miller Lite bottle&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sunshine</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55719</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mark and Everyone,
I hope that some day more people will come to understand our faith better. We don&#039;t condemn others and their religions, and we believe in loving all people. Each person in the LDS faith is encouraged to gain a testimony from God through prayer, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the Lord&#039;s church restored to the earth from ancient times when Christ was on the earth. We aren&#039;t supposed to just take someone&#039;s word for it that this is true, but we are encouraged to seek a witness from the Holy Spirit that this is true. We believe that there is a living prophet on the earth today who is God&#039;s mouth piece on this earth to speak his will. The men who wrote the Bible were ancient prophets and apostles. The reason we have the bible is because of revelation from God recieved by these prophets. I have felt the Holy Spirit tell me many times through a feeling of Christ&#039;s love that this is the Lord&#039;s church. This is what I have felt, though it may seem foolish to some, I believe that we can come to know what comes from God by the power of the Holy spirit, just as a blind man can know the sun exists because he can feel the heat of its rays.
                                                                                                     As far as Jesus turning water to wine, this story is in the King James version of the Bible which we use, but some members of the LDS faith, and members not of our faith as well, feel that the word &quot;wine&quot; used in the bible does not necessarily mean it was fermented or alchoholic. Wine is used in terms of refering to pure grape juice as well as fermented juice. Here is a link to an article done by a man not of our faith who has similar views. Observe the section in the article titled &quot;What Saith the Scriptures?&quot; http://www.tbaptist.com/aab/wineorgrapejuice.htm 

I&#039;m not sure about everything that goes on with KSL, but I do know that KSL is owned by Bonneville International, which in turn is owned by the LDS faith. Bonneville owns about 30 different media stations, and I&#039;m sure the First Presidency doesn&#039;t force those in charge of the stations to air what they want. For all we know the First Presidency might have a very limited say in what KSL airs on TV. All I know is this, the First Presidency is made up of men who are righteous men who recieve revelation from God, and would never do anything to lead the church astray. I end with a quote from the late Gordon B. Hinkley, former prophet of the church:    &quot;The priesthood is among us. It is real. It is powerful. It is true. The spirit of revelation is among us. I want to give you my testimony that the Lord will not permit any man to lead His church astray. His are the powers of life and death. It is His church, not the church of any man.&quot;


This I firmly know to be true through the power of the Lord&#039;s love and spirit. Not because I took a man&#039;s word for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mark and Everyone,<br />
I hope that some day more people will come to understand our faith better. We don&#8217;t condemn others and their religions, and we believe in loving all people. Each person in the LDS faith is encouraged to gain a testimony from God through prayer, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the Lord&#8217;s church restored to the earth from ancient times when Christ was on the earth. We aren&#8217;t supposed to just take someone&#8217;s word for it that this is true, but we are encouraged to seek a witness from the Holy Spirit that this is true. We believe that there is a living prophet on the earth today who is God&#8217;s mouth piece on this earth to speak his will. The men who wrote the Bible were ancient prophets and apostles. The reason we have the bible is because of revelation from God recieved by these prophets. I have felt the Holy Spirit tell me many times through a feeling of Christ&#8217;s love that this is the Lord&#8217;s church. This is what I have felt, though it may seem foolish to some, I believe that we can come to know what comes from God by the power of the Holy spirit, just as a blind man can know the sun exists because he can feel the heat of its rays.<br />
                                                                                                     As far as Jesus turning water to wine, this story is in the King James version of the Bible which we use, but some members of the LDS faith, and members not of our faith as well, feel that the word &#8220;wine&#8221; used in the bible does not necessarily mean it was fermented or alchoholic. Wine is used in terms of refering to pure grape juice as well as fermented juice. Here is a link to an article done by a man not of our faith who has similar views. Observe the section in the article titled &#8220;What Saith the Scriptures?&#8221; <a href="http://www.tbaptist.com/aab/wineorgrapejuice.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tbaptist.com/aab/wineorgrapejuice.htm</a> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about everything that goes on with KSL, but I do know that KSL is owned by Bonneville International, which in turn is owned by the LDS faith. Bonneville owns about 30 different media stations, and I&#8217;m sure the First Presidency doesn&#8217;t force those in charge of the stations to air what they want. For all we know the First Presidency might have a very limited say in what KSL airs on TV. All I know is this, the First Presidency is made up of men who are righteous men who recieve revelation from God, and would never do anything to lead the church astray. I end with a quote from the late Gordon B. Hinkley, former prophet of the church:    &#8220;The priesthood is among us. It is real. It is powerful. It is true. The spirit of revelation is among us. I want to give you my testimony that the Lord will not permit any man to lead His church astray. His are the powers of life and death. It is His church, not the church of any man.&#8221;</p>
<p>This I firmly know to be true through the power of the Lord&#8217;s love and spirit. Not because I took a man&#8217;s word for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Amore Vero</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55645</link>
		<dc:creator>Amore Vero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think that agreeing to try to influence others to drink alcohol (or do drugs or be immoral, etc. it&#039;s the same thing) so you could make money would be breaking your baptismal covenant to stand as a witness of Christ in all things &amp; in all places, as Christ would.   Keeping all our covenants is one of the requirements to enter the temple.   

Leaders don&#039;t tell us we are worthy for the temple, we have to decide that for ourselves &amp; tell them if we are or not, hopefully being honest with ourselves.    So I wouldn&#039;t say this incident wouldn&#039;t keep him out of the temple.  But he must decide that for himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that agreeing to try to influence others to drink alcohol (or do drugs or be immoral, etc. it&#8217;s the same thing) so you could make money would be breaking your baptismal covenant to stand as a witness of Christ in all things &amp; in all places, as Christ would.   Keeping all our covenants is one of the requirements to enter the temple.   </p>
<p>Leaders don&#8217;t tell us we are worthy for the temple, we have to decide that for ourselves &amp; tell them if we are or not, hopefully being honest with ourselves.    So I wouldn&#8217;t say this incident wouldn&#8217;t keep him out of the temple.  But he must decide that for himself.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55611</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I hope you some day study the true doctrine of the LDS church, if nothing else so you cease propagating all these misconceptions you take to be truths...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I hope you some day study the true doctrine of the LDS church, if nothing else so you cease propagating all these misconceptions you take to be truths&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reach Upward</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55571</link>
		<dc:creator>Reach Upward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late to the game on this one.  Strictly speaking, Brother Heyborne&#039;s participation in the advertisement would not preclude his being able to get a Temple recommend.  However, that does not make it right.

I appreciate the fact the Brother and Sister Heyborne made their decision about the job a matter of prayer.  Unfortunately, his interview makes it sound as if financial need justified the decision to promote the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages -- something he says he absolutely does not condone.  Actions speak louder than words.  What would he think of a soldier that willingly participates in a recruiting video for the enemy forces?  The it&#039;s-just-a-job line simply doesn&#039;t cut it.

I have done things of which I have needed to repent, but which did not technically prevent me from getting a Temple recommend.  I have arrogantly tried to justify my actions.  Let me just say from personal experience that such a path leads to sorrow rather than to the happiness you hope to find there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late to the game on this one.  Strictly speaking, Brother Heyborne&#8217;s participation in the advertisement would not preclude his being able to get a Temple recommend.  However, that does not make it right.</p>
<p>I appreciate the fact the Brother and Sister Heyborne made their decision about the job a matter of prayer.  Unfortunately, his interview makes it sound as if financial need justified the decision to promote the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages &#8212; something he says he absolutely does not condone.  Actions speak louder than words.  What would he think of a soldier that willingly participates in a recruiting video for the enemy forces?  The it&#8217;s-just-a-job line simply doesn&#8217;t cut it.</p>
<p>I have done things of which I have needed to repent, but which did not technically prevent me from getting a Temple recommend.  I have arrogantly tried to justify my actions.  Let me just say from personal experience that such a path leads to sorrow rather than to the happiness you hope to find there.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55555</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mark&lt;/strong&gt;,

&lt;em&gt;The rock of your beliefs is based purely and solely on &#8220;revelation.&#8221; How convenient is that?&lt;/em&gt;

If you truly believe in the Bible, as you claim, then your rock is founded on the same principle.  

&lt;em&gt;How convenient is that? If the basis of revelation is that strong, what is to stop one of the prophets from saying &#8220;God wants the LDS to practice polygamy again?&lt;/em&gt;

What stopped the prophets from doing so in the Bible?

&lt;em&gt;It appears to me that the LDS has elevated themselves to the top of the Christianity ladder and no one else is even being allowed to stand on the bottom step of the ladder.&lt;/em&gt;

Did the early Christians elevate themselves to the top of the Judaic ladder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mark</strong>,</p>
<p><em>The rock of your beliefs is based purely and solely on &ldquo;revelation.&rdquo; How convenient is that?</em></p>
<p>If you truly believe in the Bible, as you claim, then your rock is founded on the same principle.  </p>
<p><em>How convenient is that? If the basis of revelation is that strong, what is to stop one of the prophets from saying &ldquo;God wants the LDS to practice polygamy again?</em></p>
<p>What stopped the prophets from doing so in the Bible?</p>
<p><em>It appears to me that the LDS has elevated themselves to the top of the Christianity ladder and no one else is even being allowed to stand on the bottom step of the ladder.</em></p>
<p>Did the early Christians elevate themselves to the top of the Judaic ladder?</p>
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		<title>By: AdamF</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55553</link>
		<dc:creator>AdamF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark - only because I can&#039;t resist because I got a kick out of your questions. :)

&quot;God wants the LDS to practice polygamy again?&quot;
If that happened, I would consider leaving.

&quot;Maybe God wants all Muslims vanquished?&quot;
If that happened, I would definitely leave.

&quot;God will instruct the prophets to say SUV&#8217;s should not be driven&quot;
I think that is a good idea, and I would testify of it next month in fast meeting, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; only because I can&#8217;t resist because I got a kick out of your questions. :)</p>
<p>&#8220;God wants the LDS to practice polygamy again?&#8221;<br />
If that happened, I would consider leaving.</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe God wants all Muslims vanquished?&#8221;<br />
If that happened, I would definitely leave.</p>
<p>&#8220;God will instruct the prophets to say SUV&rsquo;s should not be driven&#8221;<br />
I think that is a good idea, and I would testify of it next month in fast meeting, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55552</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connor, your thinking appears to be quite solid on the surface but I dont think it passes the test of time.  The rock of your beliefs is based purely and solely on &quot;revelation.&quot;  How convenient is that?  If the basis of revelation is that strong, what is to stop one of the prophets from saying &quot;God wants the LDS to practice polygamy again?  Maybe God wants all Muslims vanquished?  Or maybe God will instruct the prophets to say SUV&#039;s should not be driven.  I guess my question is, &quot;Who owns the ear of God?&quot;  Does God only speak to LDS members?  It appears to me that the LDS has elevated themselves to the top of the Christianity ladder and no one else is even being allowed to stand on the bottom step of the ladder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connor, your thinking appears to be quite solid on the surface but I dont think it passes the test of time.  The rock of your beliefs is based purely and solely on &#8220;revelation.&#8221;  How convenient is that?  If the basis of revelation is that strong, what is to stop one of the prophets from saying &#8220;God wants the LDS to practice polygamy again?  Maybe God wants all Muslims vanquished?  Or maybe God will instruct the prophets to say SUV&#8217;s should not be driven.  I guess my question is, &#8220;Who owns the ear of God?&#8221;  Does God only speak to LDS members?  It appears to me that the LDS has elevated themselves to the top of the Christianity ladder and no one else is even being allowed to stand on the bottom step of the ladder.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55537</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Perhaps you can tell just where in the Bible did God instruct the LDS followers to abstain from alcohol? I can&#8217;t find it in my Bible. Please enlighten me.&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;Mainstream Christianity&quot; is a farce of a term if ever there was one.  To refer to a collective group implies a common belief, but with all the flavors of Christianity existing today, you&#039;d be hard-pressed to find two congregations that believe the same thing, even based on the same scriptures.

I&#039;ve never claimed that God&#039;s revelation to abstain from alcohol is found within the Bible.  Just as the Bible was modern revelation to those who lived at the time, so too is current modern revelation given to those who live right now.  No doubt you&#039;ll have a fundamental disagreement with the issue of modern revelation, but the argument for the Word of Wisdom is based upon the belief that God speaks to man today.  

The Bible is a history of revelation, and it&#039;s great.  But while certain prophecies contained therein apply to our own day, the majority of its writings were specific to those to whom they were addressed.  I believe that God speaks, through appointed messengers, to His children whenever they will listen.  And so any succeeding prophecy given or scripture created does not&#8212;and indeed, must not&#8212;rely upon previous revelation to justify its authority.  

God&#039;s authority implies that He can change his will (and commandments) as He sees fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Perhaps you can tell just where in the Bible did God instruct the LDS followers to abstain from alcohol? I can&rsquo;t find it in my Bible. Please enlighten me.</em></p>
<p>&#8220;Mainstream Christianity&#8221; is a farce of a term if ever there was one.  To refer to a collective group implies a common belief, but with all the flavors of Christianity existing today, you&#8217;d be hard-pressed to find two congregations that believe the same thing, even based on the same scriptures.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never claimed that God&#8217;s revelation to abstain from alcohol is found within the Bible.  Just as the Bible was modern revelation to those who lived at the time, so too is current modern revelation given to those who live right now.  No doubt you&#8217;ll have a fundamental disagreement with the issue of modern revelation, but the argument for the Word of Wisdom is based upon the belief that God speaks to man today.  </p>
<p>The Bible is a history of revelation, and it&#8217;s great.  But while certain prophecies contained therein apply to our own day, the majority of its writings were specific to those to whom they were addressed.  I believe that God speaks, through appointed messengers, to His children whenever they will listen.  And so any succeeding prophecy given or scripture created does not&#8212;and indeed, must not&#8212;rely upon previous revelation to justify its authority.  </p>
<p>God&#8217;s authority implies that He can change his will (and commandments) as He sees fit.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55535</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connor, I think it is the LDS who have categorically separated themselves from the rest of mainstream Christians.  Perhaps you can tell just where in the Bible did God instruct the LDS followers to abstain from alcohol?  I can&#039;t find it in my Bible.  Please enlighten me.
ps I have no problem with you or for that fact anyone abstaining from alcohol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connor, I think it is the LDS who have categorically separated themselves from the rest of mainstream Christians.  Perhaps you can tell just where in the Bible did God instruct the LDS followers to abstain from alcohol?  I can&#8217;t find it in my Bible.  Please enlighten me.<br />
ps I have no problem with you or for that fact anyone abstaining from alcohol.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55522</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mark&lt;/strong&gt;,

&lt;em&gt;There is not one anti-LDS word to be found.&lt;/em&gt;

Not one anti-LDS word to be found?  So disparaging an entire belief system (categorically separating it from a general definition of Christianity), or claiming that &quot;The Father in Heaven&quot; is different from the one we Latter-day Saints worship, or claiming that we&#039;ve &quot;rewritten&quot; many parts of the &quot;traditional&quot; Bible is not to be considered &quot;anti&quot;.  Right.

&lt;em&gt;I noticed that you didnt have the stones to agree or disagree with the story contained in the Bible.&lt;/em&gt;

Ah, &quot;stones to agree&quot;.  Words of a dignified debater, surely.  

I have no problem with the Biblical story, or Jesus&#039; consumption of wine.  God has never said that drinking alcohol throughout history is sinful, but instead has commanded his Latter-say Saints to abstain, &quot;in consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days&quot;.  That&#039;s the idea behind continuing revelation&#8212;God&#039;s will changes based on varying circumstances and situations.  

&lt;em&gt;Im sure you will duck this question or you will delete it.&lt;/em&gt;

Strike one for accuracy in your predictive capabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mark</strong>,</p>
<p><em>There is not one anti-LDS word to be found.</em></p>
<p>Not one anti-LDS word to be found?  So disparaging an entire belief system (categorically separating it from a general definition of Christianity), or claiming that &#8220;The Father in Heaven&#8221; is different from the one we Latter-day Saints worship, or claiming that we&#8217;ve &#8220;rewritten&#8221; many parts of the &#8220;traditional&#8221; Bible is not to be considered &#8220;anti&#8221;.  Right.</p>
<p><em>I noticed that you didnt have the stones to agree or disagree with the story contained in the Bible.</em></p>
<p>Ah, &#8220;stones to agree&#8221;.  Words of a dignified debater, surely.  </p>
<p>I have no problem with the Biblical story, or Jesus&#8217; consumption of wine.  God has never said that drinking alcohol throughout history is sinful, but instead has commanded his Latter-say Saints to abstain, &#8220;in consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days&#8221;.  That&#8217;s the idea behind continuing revelation&#8212;God&#8217;s will changes based on varying circumstances and situations.  </p>
<p><em>Im sure you will duck this question or you will delete it.</em></p>
<p>Strike one for accuracy in your predictive capabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/kirby-heybornes-promotion-of-babylon#comment-55521</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connor, please re-read my post.  There is not one anti-LDS word to be found.  Either Jesus turned water into wine or he did not.  I noticed that you didnt have the stones to agree or disagree with the story contained in the Bible.  So Connor.  Did Jesus turn water into wine?  A simple &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; would suffice.  Im sure you will duck this question or you will delete it.  Typical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connor, please re-read my post.  There is not one anti-LDS word to be found.  Either Jesus turned water into wine or he did not.  I noticed that you didnt have the stones to agree or disagree with the story contained in the Bible.  So Connor.  Did Jesus turn water into wine?  A simple &#8220;yes&#8221; or &#8220;no&#8221; would suffice.  Im sure you will duck this question or you will delete it.  Typical.</p>
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