If Kurtz is “referencing” others’ research to satisfy his own political bent, then obviously he cannot be relied upon as a source for scientific knowledge.

It isn’t ironic at all if you remember that the Church doesn’t claim to base it’s policies on “scientific” research, but prophetic revelation.

So, if anyone has any specific links (or just titles) to anything from a journal that Kurtz has published, I would love to see it.

Like you, I found that faith obscures vision. It gets you attached to ideas, and then you have to defend them, and then you’re too invested in the idea to change if you need to. And if you think your ideas are from a god, then any contrary evidence must be Satan’s deception. Blecch. Now I love it when someone shows me I’m wrong, as long as they present the facts.

Keep it up.

The fact that ‘It doesn’t matter in which order these things occur’ suggests to me that at least one of these factors is irrelevant.

Pollution goes up with increased incidence of mustache wearing, left-handedness, tapioca consumption, and burning of lots of fossil fuels. It doesn’t matter in what order these things occur.

I are a statistician!

Stanley Kurtz has done a lot of research that shows definitively that heterosexual marriage rates drop off, and significant family and social decline occurs when three factors are in place: 1) unmarried heterosexual unions become generally accepted, 2) it becomes common for couples to have more than one child out of wedlock, and 3) gay marriage becomes legally acceptable. It doesn’t matter in which order these things occur.

I am not sure the studies I have seen do a good job of showing which of these cause the other or if maybe they are caused by some other factor. Saying that all of those things happened in a country does not prove that one of them caused the others. However, my money would be on increased cohabitation being the primary cause of decreased marriage rates. I doubt that gay marriage has any significant impact on the behavior of hetero folks.

‘Cause wrath is a dish best served cold?

Taste the cold wrath.

One time I had wrath, and I didn’t know it was supposed to be served cold. I almost sent it back to get it warmed up until I realised.

No wait, that was gazpacho.

Still waiting… doot dee doo…

Will it be the same wrath that Belgium’s getting? Or Canada? Spain, perhaps? Is it the wrath where God sends you economic prosperity and a largely stable democratic process?

I’m waiting for the wrath to begin.

Doop a doop a doop…

…still no wrath…

Did you know that Australians say it like ‘wroth’? I don’t know why.

Just making conversation.

…doop a doop…

We’ll see if the voters have the stomach to attempt to overturn something in November that will have been allowed since the prior June.

The Alliance for Marriage Foundation today celebrated the efforts of California voters for successfully placing the California Marriage Amendment on the November ballot.

The state constitutional amendment would define marriage as a union “between a man and a woman” if successful, and would overturn the recent California Supreme Court decision legalizing “same-sex” marriage.

So, the showdown is set for five months from now. This will get interesting…

The info I have (Fatherneed, by Kyle Pruett, M.D. – in which he refers to some studies suggests that: 1-children of gay parents are not more likely to be gay themselves, 2-they may have a more difficult time being judged by their peers, 3-tend to develop a less prejudicial view of the world, 4-gay father place greater emphasis on verbal communication, 5-show more consistency in enforcing limits, 6-respond more reliably to the perceived needs of their children. (Many of these points are from: Bigner, J., & Jacobsen, R.B. (1989). “The Value of Children to Gay and Heterosexual Fathers.”

The point was also made in the book that we have a lot more to study. For any study does not confirm truth, but rather points us in certain directions.

So, as I said, where is your evidence? I would like to read it (again sincerely).

To the first sentence I agree. It doesn’t flow logically to the next, however. While having two parents may be better than one, there is no evidence that those parents need be heterosexual. If you do have said evidence, please share it. What I have read on the matter in fact suggests that kids of homosexual parents do just fine.