http://www.change.org/petitions/the-media-should-not-lead-the-people-the-people-should-lead-the-media

Jay

also I can see voter turn out being pretty LOW in DC meaning RP would do better since avid RP supporters WILL turn out to vote.

We need to think critically. Hearsay is not good evidence. And why would Washington (of all places) show such a unanimous first place result without getting picked up on any polls? It beggars belief.

On the other hand, a simpler explanation is that your friend is mistaken, and she told you something that you really want to believe. You seem to have trouble relinquishing this belief. Try.

Jay

Can we now agree that paranoid delusion and Ron-Paul-devotion are essentially the same thing? It’s just a matter of degree.

Are any psychologists collecting this data? There’s a PhD thesis to be done on the Ron Paul phenomenon, perhaps several.

My LDS friend in Washington has been and still is busy every day in charge of counting verifying and inputting data from the recent primaries where Huckabee challenged the results. She said that the results have been virtually the same for every precinct. Without exception, Ron Paul has won every precinct and Huck second place and McCain finished in last place. She is frustrated and disillusioned with the system and the failure to honestly report the results. My friend, the state chairman, said this is happening in many of the states but not to expect to hear it in the news.

Now, I know there are a few here who are too proud to accept RP’s legitimacy, but these are two women who I’d trust like my own mother and I have zero doubt that what they are telling me is true.

You present “information” (no source no way of knowing if its fact I took your word that it was legitimate.

I presented the flaws that I saw in such information.

Then there is also the silly notion that plagues this nation of people not wanting to “throw” away there votes on a candidate they do not think has a shot.

Voting for someone you do not want or like is by definition “throwing away” your vote.

Yes, fine, Chris, if reality were totally different, we might be able to get the results you want.

I contest that overall from a general audience unless they have used the internet to gather information openly then such a question is hugely tainted.

So to me it does not suggest this. Its one of the interesting things about polls. You can get almost any result you want on just how you “word” or “present” the questions.

So I guess there is a different to me in how we define “know” Ron Paul. Since he is almost completely excluded from the media any such polling results are automatically tainted.

The only way to get any kind of reasonable or remotely accurate results would be to even the playing field and then run the poll again. Problem is Mass Media is not likely to cooperate in that kind of manner :-(

Then they asked both groups, “Between HRC and RP, who would you vote for?” Support for RP didn’t go up significantly, even with people who did know about him.

It probably doesn’t mean that people don’t like RP or anything — it may have more to do with Clinton’s negative ratings. But it does suggest that even if the media decided to plug him, it might not lead to increased support.

I mean if he got equal and fair airtime as the other candidates and he THEN resulted in 7% support OK I could see the people just don’t want him.

But to not want someone you have to at least be aware of them. the online annoyed by RP folks are an incredibly small group of people. I mean really small.

“Among all voters, Clinton attracts 48% support. Among the voters who have never heard of Ron Paul or don’t know enough to have an opinion, guess what. Clinton attracts the exact same total–48% of the vote. So whether or not people have heard of Ron Paul as the challenger, support for Clinton doesn’t change.

“Among the 51% who have heard of Ron Paul but don’t have a Very Favorable opinion of him, Clinton attracts 49% of the vote.

“The only noticeable difference to be found is among that very small slice of the electorate that has a Very Favorable opinion of Paul. Seven percent (7%) of the nation’s voters fit this description and they prefer the Texas Congressman over the Democratic frontrunner by a 70% to 27% margin.”

Now if only the media could make everyone have a Very Favorable opinion of Mr Paul, you’d be in business. That’s not within their capability, nor is it their job.

I should also add that, among people who know about Mr Paul because they have had the living crap annoyed out of them by Ron Paul supporters, support approaches zero.

I do agree, however, that it’s amazing that he’s doing as well as he is.

3. Most people don’t support third-tier candidate

Well you assume they were given the choice. With virtually zero (compared to others) media exposure AGAIN people are UNAWARE he even exists so its not “most people” its 6 Media Companies. No one has yet to “ask” the people on a fasir playing field. When that happens and the people THEN reject him THEN you will have some validity with that statement.

4. Person blames society for this

No I just blame the 6 Media Companies that are manipulating the information.

5. Back to 1, only more so. Go See 3 and 4

Google mentions NOTHING. you shows me NO mentions. I guess you do not quite understand the concepts between GET and PUSH.

Main Stream Media IE what 90% of the population bases there decisions on is PUSH media. You do not ask for any information its SENT to you ie PUSHED.

What you did was called a GET. you SPECIFICALLY ASKED for and SEARCHED for information. So of course you got some results.

the 90% of the population that depends on the PUSH model will “never” see any of the results on your google REQUEST ie GET information.

When we complain about media black listing we referring to the media attention that MATTERS ie what 90% of the nation will see and be inunundated with.

Once again here is th test for this. Walk down a street and ASK people “What do you think of Ron Paul?” and see how many of your replies is “Ron Paul Who?” or “Who is Ron Paul?”

Polls really don’t have any relevance is your polling population does not even know all the people on the poll UNLESS your poll is to determine just that IE who knows about who.

In that case Ron Paul would win every poll if you consider the LEAST awareness a win :-)

Stop using the internet. No more google. No more connorboyack.com no more anything on the internet. Restrict your information sources to JUST Radio TV and News papers. Come back here in a week and tell me how many times you saw Ron Paul mentioned compared to the other candidates (IF you see him mentioned more times than you have fingers on one hand I will be impressed)

With such little exposure its amazing that he does as well as he is doing.,

It’s strange to watch the cycle of youthful hope and embittered alienation working even as we speak.

1. Person feels mistrustful of society
2. Person supports third-tier candidate to fix society’s problems
3. Most people don’t support third-tier candidate
4. Person blames society for this
5. Back to 1, only more so.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

You have to realize something. Chris is being persecuted here. His dear leader is the most persecuted individual since Jeezus. If only more people heard the Glorious Message of the Messenger Ron Paul. Truly they would all sing his praises. Curse those dratted dastardly evil media!

Not a single mention? I mean, come on.

Anyone notice how many 3rd and even 1 or 2 second place finishes he got yesterday and not a SINGLE mention so far in Media about it? Cute ehh.