Comments on: Prophetic Support for a Modern Callout

By: loquaciousmomma

loquaciousmomma — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:34:36 +0000

Thanks, Greg. You are correct, the first will be to Adam Ondi Ahman, the second to the Jews and the third to the world as a whole. I tend to overlook details, and in my haste I make what seem to be foolish errors. Sorry!

By: Greg

Greg — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 02:28:04 +0000

loquaciousmomma - There will be at least three major appearances of the Savior on the earth that in general are referred to as the Second Coming. The "second" appearance is when Christ will descend on the Mount of Olives and appear to the Jews clothed in a red garment as beautifully portrayed by Minerva Teichert.

By: Connor

Connor — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:56:48 +0000

And who would be the first witness?

Latter-day Saint leaders. I just find it very interesting that some Jewish guy is saying many of the same things.

By: Carborendum

Carborendum — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:24:52 +0000

A second witness?

And who would be the first witness?

By: loquaciousmomma

loquaciousmomma — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:25:10 +0000

Connor: What a fascinating read that was!

Are these the people who will be able to escape into the mountain and to whom Jesus will appear first? I don’t know, but the possibility is fascinating!

One thing that confuses me, though, upon further thought, is that both Zechariah and D&C say that the Jews will inquire about the scars that the Savior bears and be heartbroken to find that He is Jesus and that their ancestors did crucify their God.

This leads me to believe that they will not accept Jesus as the Messiah before this point. Are the Messianic Jews the people that Zechariah referred to then? I don’t know. I am sure it is possible that they will be there, but that others who are not converted to Messianic Judaism will be among them. I am sure we will know in then end.

Thanks Connor for one more thing to ponder!

By: Greg

Greg — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:11:47 +0000

See the Redemption of Zion on this subject. Read Orson Pratt's entire talk if you can get a copy.

By: Connor

Connor — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:52:50 +0000

Well this is very interesting... a Messianic Jew discussing his belief in a callout as well. Worth the read. A second witness? Hmm..

By: charles

charles — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:36:53 +0000

I just wanted to thank you for your post and web page. I am a convert for over 30 years and have been studying end time prophecies during this time and have never felt the spirit on such matters until now. It started before the economic recession\depression we are now in and the spirit guided me to your and AVOW web sight where the spirit started confirmed again that we are moving close to a calling out; Then a person blogging that had terrible spelling and grammer said that it is all layed out in “Isaiah explained” by Avraham Gileadi. Normally the spelling and grammar would have turned me off but the Holy Spirit drove home to my soul to seek this out. Now for the first time the Book of Isaiah and the Book or Mormon and our true living Prophets have been opened to my mind and the Holy Spirit has been confirming more each day that the time is now to prepair every needful thin.

Thanks again,

Keep up the good work and help keep us true to the living Prophets of the LDS church and restored gospel.

By: Jeff Thayne

Jeff Thayne — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:14:42 +0000

I think it is important that we don’t include ourselves among the obedient in an elitist sort of way. I agree that the numbers of those who heed a modern prophetic callout may be few, even a “small amount”, but talking about it that way too frequently can too quickly coalesce into a subtle elitism (I am not accusing anybody, just observing what I have witnessed over the years).

Our focus and our goal should not be to be among the few, but to invite and help prepare all. By service and inclusion, we ourselves are included, if you know what I mean.

By: Jason

Jason — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:56:39 +0000

Great post. I enjoyed all of the quotes from the brethren on this topic. I do not think that a call out will be to any “new and undiscovered land”, rather the purpose would be to separate the wheat from the tares. The church owns more than enough land to provide a place of temporary safety or refuge for the small amount of saints who would be willing to heed the call.
Aside from all of this our focus should be on making ourselves worthy to hear the promptings of the Holy Ghost, and in striving to live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God, including food storage, debt and the other hard commandments.

By: Janet

Janet — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:05:18 +0000

Interesting observations. As I was watching the funeral today, I wondered how many of the funeral attendees would be allowed a ticket if there were pre-requisites for the privilege…requirements like paying a full tithing and a generous fast offering, having a year supply of food, being debt free, 100% home or visiting teaching record, temple recommend and temple attendance… As we sing, “We thank thee Oh God for a prophet,” do our actions show it? Are we demonstrating our thankfulness by obedience? Perhaps this is the gathering to a safe place that was meant for our day. I wonder how many will keep the Sabbath day holy on super bowl Sunday? I think it is the everyday ordinary things that bear testimony as to the sort of saint we really are. If we don’t hear our prophet’s voice in these things when he has been calling for over a hundred years, we surely will not hear an urgent voice of warning that says “go now!”

By: Connor

Connor — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:13:09 +0000

Scott,

I agree. There are many spiritual implications of the need to flee for protection.

However, it is interesting to note in these examples of a physical gathering, that it was almost always a minority that did so, leaving behind most of the other “church members” of the time. Pres. Benson spoke of having a year supply as weeding away the unfaithful. Perhaps this is not all that farfetched. It would seem that should a physical callout ever take place in the future, only a minority of church members (50% of virgins were wise in Jesus’ story; 4-7% of church members have a year supply; etc.) will be prepared to heed the call based on previous obedience to given revelation.

By: Scott

Scott — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:08:03 +0000

We are already called to come out from Babylon in our daily lives. Or perhaps more precisely, we are called to purge Babylon from our lives. I can’t find the talk at the moment, but a few years ago, Pres. Faust said in general conference that we are not called today to flee to a geographical place, as there is generally no such place left that could reasonably acommodate us. Rather, we are called to create Zion where we are.

Does that mean that we will never receive such a call? I don’t think any of us can say that. But it is interesting to note that Joseph F. Smith long ago felt that the world was at least as wicked in his day as it was just before the flood. Today we are called to stand in holy places, but are not called to uproot our families to do so.

By: David

David — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:50:36 +0000

I have reflected many times on the vast number of cases where the Lord has called his people to leave. Always it reminds me of the ever present invitation to "Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her;" (Isaiah 52:11)