Can this legislation be undone?

Has the Supreme Court shown any signs of overturning it?

Oh, and welcome to Democrat Hell. This is just what we’ve all been going through for the past five years. Once a friend emailed me: ‘How is democracy in Australia? Am afraid it’s hoplessly broken here.’

What to do? Vote.

Vote Republicans out. Don’t vote based on who is the “best candidate.” Vote against Republicans. They’ve abrogated their Constitutional responsibility and must collectively be punished. If they stay in power, they will not have learned a lesson.

I think voting for someone because of his party affiliation and not his or her base ideas is a bad idea: keeping sound minded, good thinking republicans in office is just as effective as weeding out the idiots. You’d effectively be taking good people out of office. Its hard enough to get good people in.

Also, doesn’t the president have to have the approval of congress before holding or charging someone? This looks really bad, but at least this might help keep it from being used for obviously wrong reasons (I hope).

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Does this mean that the Constitution is now hanging by a thread? I think yes. The prophecy is therefore clear what good Elders must do next – - it will take more than just voting.

A good place to start would be to educate the 98% of obedient Utah Mormons who vote straight ticket out of tradition. In the last days even the elect will be deceived because they know not how to find the truth in the MainStreamMedia.

Thanks Connor for doing your share!

Say, since Communism didn’t come to the USA, would that be an example of a false prophecy?

I hope my question is either not inappropriate or ignorant. Having spent a good part of my youth with LDS kids and attending LDS youth functions, there were many stories about LDS church history and prophecy that were shared with me. I always was fascinated by LDS history, and still plan on visiting Nauvoo someday.

My question concerns the “hanging by a thread” prophecy. Is this an official LDS teaching, or is it more an urban legend passed on from generation to generation? I did flip through a copy of the Doctrine & Covenants as a teenager looking for this prophecy, which clearly was speaking about Watergate. Did Joseph Smith make this prophecy, or was it another President of the Church? I remember first hearing this prophecy at Boy Scout camp, and can’t remember all the details.

What do you mean by saying communism didn’t come to the USA? Its everywhere you look! If you have eyes to see, that is. Hopefully you’ll wake up one day and see that being allowed to pace back and forth across your jail-cell-of-a-life isn’t freedom at all. Have we so little understanding of true freedom that we can’t even recognize our “aweful situation?” Forbit it, Almighty God.

The “prophecy” apparently was never written down by Joseph Smith, but only written in journals and diaries of people who supposedly heard JS say this prophecy. But, Brigham Young and some other modern prophets since Brigham Young have validated the prophecy as true, giving credit to JS. One such quote by Ezra Taft Benson – -

“For years we have heard of the role the elders could play in saving the Constitution from total destruction. But how can the elders be expected to save it if they have not studied it and are not sure if it is being destroyed or what is destroying it?” —President Ezra Taft Benson, TETB, p 619-620

Robert,

Those who attribute the prophesy about the “thread” to Joseph Smith are either ignorant or irresponsible perpetrators of hearsay. The saying comes from President Young, NOT Joseph. It was NEVER recorded in scripture or officially declared and therefore cannot be considered Church authorized prophetic utterance.

heh, Mormons still fighting against that dastardly foe “communism” even though it is dead.

Dan, this is exactly why I think that the traditional Mormon Utahn desperately needs to be educated in foreign affairs. There are those in my family and neighborhood who really think that Communism is our foe, not Bush’s neo-cons. However, perhaps there is some truth to the old Communism cries, with WalMart and USCapitalists in bed with the Chinese government. The new morphed Communism may perhaps be what finally does us in, as our $USdollar sinks because of the strength of Asian currency, and the US debt that is being artificially supported by Chinese investment.

Kelly,

You hit in an interesting point. I don’t think that Americans even understand what communism really is. In reality there is no nation in the world right now that is “communist,” as Marx had intended it, but you do find examples of Leninism. Communism is an economic philosophy. What Lenin did was to corrupt it and transform it into a political system. That system, of course is unstable and will, at some point, bring a country to ruin. Most nations that used communism have learned this, some the hard way. China is a unique nation because they began their modern history with communism. In fact, communism, as Marx intended, probably doesn’t fit better with any other country than China, due to China’s main philosophy: Confucianism, which places the community above the individual. That said, China has learned that economically speaking, capitalism is the way to go. They’ve changed from communist principles to capitalist principles and have flourished economically.

Communism came and I missed it?

I was defining Communism in the Marxist sense, and not as ‘anything conservatives don’t like’.

I don’t want to hijack this excellent thread, but I do think that claiming the USA is Communist is kind of funny.

I’m not sure I would call the current administration communist. Communism is government controlled corporations. What we have now is corporate controlled government. That’s fascism, not communism.

Also, repressive regimes tend to label their enemies in a way that takes attention away from what they are really doing. Why else would the Bush administration label islamic terrorists as “fascists.” They aren’t fascists by any definition, but the Bush administration is, and the label they have given the terrorists is calculated to draw attention away from the truth. It’s Orwellian doublespeak at its worst.

Americans especially some mormon conservatives, Do no know what Socialism, Communism, are, nor do they know what the differences are between them. They dont understand why taxation is fair and nesseccary. They odnt inderstand that free agency is alive and well, even in jail we have free agency.

Its time these silly spoilt people stopped gazing at their navel and stopped thinking about their rights all the time.

Get lives and realise what the world is like in 2008 The world has moved on since Jefferson