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		<title>By: Aaron M.</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/spiritual-minus-temporal#comment-15592</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 19:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carissa you said,

The more I learn about the gospel, the more I desire to be as self-reliant as possible. I don&#8217;t just want to get a certain amount of food storage based on what the current policy is&#8230; I want to have a self-reliant lifestyle, storing as much as possible and practible, and using it regularly as well. There is wisdom in doing all that you can to take care of yourself and your family, depending less on society for your welfare, survival, comfort, or even entertainment. I think the spirit can teach each of us this if we are willing to listen and desire to know.


I totally agree with you on this issue. That is the kind of mind that will move us to a true zion like society and that is what I am all about when it comes to living in a society. Let&#039;s face it we live in Babylon both spiritual and tempral. it&#039;s everywhere. its in our dealings, worldly work ethics. it all about maken the money and that&#039;s what was a bit pit fall for us saint past and now presesnt. I believe we have all fallen into it mostly by tradition because we grow up in it. That is no justification. We have the knowledge in the D&amp;C. 104, 119, on how to live the principles of a zion society. We must learn this spiritually as well as temperally. Food storage for instance, there has been posts above that different people have different circomstances. It seem like we try and turn and twist the gospel and commandments to fit our lives in stead of turning and twisting our lives to fit the gospel and commandments. it is not a good thing if commandments have to be lowered. remember what happened to the Isrealites at Sioni. above all these post are all good and may god show us our folly.

Aaron M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carissa you said,</p>
<p>The more I learn about the gospel, the more I desire to be as self-reliant as possible. I don&rsquo;t just want to get a certain amount of food storage based on what the current policy is&hellip; I want to have a self-reliant lifestyle, storing as much as possible and practible, and using it regularly as well. There is wisdom in doing all that you can to take care of yourself and your family, depending less on society for your welfare, survival, comfort, or even entertainment. I think the spirit can teach each of us this if we are willing to listen and desire to know.</p>
<p>I totally agree with you on this issue. That is the kind of mind that will move us to a true zion like society and that is what I am all about when it comes to living in a society. Let&#8217;s face it we live in Babylon both spiritual and tempral. it&#8217;s everywhere. its in our dealings, worldly work ethics. it all about maken the money and that&#8217;s what was a bit pit fall for us saint past and now presesnt. I believe we have all fallen into it mostly by tradition because we grow up in it. That is no justification. We have the knowledge in the D&amp;C. 104, 119, on how to live the principles of a zion society. We must learn this spiritually as well as temperally. Food storage for instance, there has been posts above that different people have different circomstances. It seem like we try and turn and twist the gospel and commandments to fit our lives in stead of turning and twisting our lives to fit the gospel and commandments. it is not a good thing if commandments have to be lowered. remember what happened to the Isrealites at Sioni. above all these post are all good and may god show us our folly.</p>
<p>Aaron M.</p>
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		<title>By: Carissa</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/spiritual-minus-temporal#comment-15362</link>
		<dc:creator>Carissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I learn about the gospel, the more I desire to be as self-reliant as possible.  I don&#039;t just want to get a certain amount of food storage based on what the current policy is... I want to have a self-reliant &lt;em&gt;lifestyle&lt;/em&gt;, storing as much as possible and practible, and using it regularly as well.  There is wisdom in doing all that you can to take care of yourself and your family, depending less on society for your welfare, survival, comfort, or even entertainment.  I think the spirit can teach each of us this if we are willing to listen and desire to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I learn about the gospel, the more I desire to be as self-reliant as possible.  I don&#8217;t just want to get a certain amount of food storage based on what the current policy is&#8230; I want to have a self-reliant <em>lifestyle</em>, storing as much as possible and practible, and using it regularly as well.  There is wisdom in doing all that you can to take care of yourself and your family, depending less on society for your welfare, survival, comfort, or even entertainment.  I think the spirit can teach each of us this if we are willing to listen and desire to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael L. McKee</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/spiritual-minus-temporal#comment-15356</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael L. McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 23:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always amusing to me when I hear how so many of us work somewhat diligently towards finding greater latitude in being justifiably less prepared.

I have also noticed that as things go spiritually, we seem to rely more and more upon the guidance of the world and the worldly. Perhaps it is just part of the transition of going from wheat to tares.

Hopefully, far fewer of us will be left standing at the proverbial alter than I envision at the present time. Personally I am going to keep preparing both spiritually and temporally just as much as I am able to do while there is still oil to place in my lamp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always amusing to me when I hear how so many of us work somewhat diligently towards finding greater latitude in being justifiably less prepared.</p>
<p>I have also noticed that as things go spiritually, we seem to rely more and more upon the guidance of the world and the worldly. Perhaps it is just part of the transition of going from wheat to tares.</p>
<p>Hopefully, far fewer of us will be left standing at the proverbial alter than I envision at the present time. Personally I am going to keep preparing both spiritually and temporally just as much as I am able to do while there is still oil to place in my lamp.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve M</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/spiritual-minus-temporal#comment-15307</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly,

I&#039;m totally fine with my stake president&#039;s counsel. I think it&#039;s wise and realistic. I just had to throw it out there, because Connor is pretty strong about the one-year food supply, even for students. I thought my stake president&#039;s adjustment of the counsel was worth considering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m totally fine with my stake president&#8217;s counsel. I think it&#8217;s wise and realistic. I just had to throw it out there, because Connor is pretty strong about the one-year food supply, even for students. I thought my stake president&#8217;s adjustment of the counsel was worth considering.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/spiritual-minus-temporal#comment-15298</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Equal emphasis on temporal planning now is placed on FINANCIAL frugality and family economic stability. Perhaps neglecting our wise use of money is now as dangerous as running out of food!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Kelly, 
You are right.   Members, in general, are not responsible with their money.  We spend what we don&#039;t have.  

I don&#039;t see the changed focus as &quot;lowering the bar&quot; as much as targetting the needs of the current members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Equal emphasis on temporal planning now is placed on FINANCIAL frugality and family economic stability. Perhaps neglecting our wise use of money is now as dangerous as running out of food!</p></blockquote>
<p>Kelly,<br />
You are right.   Members, in general, are not responsible with their money.  We spend what we don&#8217;t have.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the changed focus as &#8220;lowering the bar&#8221; as much as targetting the needs of the current members.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Winterton</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/spiritual-minus-temporal#comment-15296</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Winterton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve M.,
The Church is a world church now, and must cater to many different situtations around the world. Some countries even have laws AGAINST the storage of food in such large quantities. Some demographic groups would have great difficulties storing food, such as students, apartment dwellers, singles, etc. Therefore, I believe that efforts of temporal preparedness should naturally be supervised more on a regional basis, instead of a church-wide basis. I therefore believe you should obey your regional Stake leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve M.,<br />
The Church is a world church now, and must cater to many different situtations around the world. Some countries even have laws AGAINST the storage of food in such large quantities. Some demographic groups would have great difficulties storing food, such as students, apartment dwellers, singles, etc. Therefore, I believe that efforts of temporal preparedness should naturally be supervised more on a regional basis, instead of a church-wide basis. I therefore believe you should obey your regional Stake leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/spiritual-minus-temporal#comment-15289</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 15:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? You didn&#039;t talk about mothers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? You didn&#8217;t talk about mothers?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve M.</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/spiritual-minus-temporal#comment-15287</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 15:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, my stake presidency recently drafted a letter that was distributed to each member of the stake (most of whom reside in Wymount Terrace), informing us that as students, we are only expected to have a month&#039;s supply of food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, my stake presidency recently drafted a letter that was distributed to each member of the stake (most of whom reside in Wymount Terrace), informing us that as students, we are only expected to have a month&#8217;s supply of food.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Winterton</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/spiritual-minus-temporal#comment-15285</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Winterton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 14:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saints cannot nor will not undertake to prepare temporally until they first obtain a spiritual foundation.

After obtaining a testimony of the truthfullness of the past commandments to prepare temporally, they can move to the next step of actually doing something about it.

I suppose the speakers in your Sacrament Meeting had not personally done anything to store food, etc. and therefore did not feel comfortable talking about it.

To try to prepare temporally WITHOUT the foundation of spititual preparation is equally as dangerous as preparing spiritually without the corresponding temporal preparation. I guess that last sentence, if read out of the scriptures, would read something like this: Faith without works is dead, even as works without faith is dead.

It would be fair to address the new official policy of the Church on food storage, as found on providentliving.org. This new policy has superceeded the past policy on home production and food storage. A three-month&#039;s supply of food is encouraged, and after that is aquired, it is hoped that Saints strive towards the full year&#039;s supply. Storing only the basics is emphasized, and storing only foods that naturally store easily. I can now find nothing in official policy about doing the time-honored practices of gardening and sewing and canning.

I assume this de-emphasis was necessary because such a low percentage of saints were actually trying to store and produce food anyway. (Most surveys I&#039;ve read say only 5% to 15% of Saints currently have any kind of storage or production systems within their homes.) I think it was a kind of &quot;lowering of the bar.&quot;

Equal emphasis on temporal planning now is placed on FINANCIAL frugality and family economic stability. Perhaps neglecting our wise use of money is now as dangerous as running out of food!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saints cannot nor will not undertake to prepare temporally until they first obtain a spiritual foundation.</p>
<p>After obtaining a testimony of the truthfullness of the past commandments to prepare temporally, they can move to the next step of actually doing something about it.</p>
<p>I suppose the speakers in your Sacrament Meeting had not personally done anything to store food, etc. and therefore did not feel comfortable talking about it.</p>
<p>To try to prepare temporally WITHOUT the foundation of spititual preparation is equally as dangerous as preparing spiritually without the corresponding temporal preparation. I guess that last sentence, if read out of the scriptures, would read something like this: Faith without works is dead, even as works without faith is dead.</p>
<p>It would be fair to address the new official policy of the Church on food storage, as found on providentliving.org. This new policy has superceeded the past policy on home production and food storage. A three-month&#8217;s supply of food is encouraged, and after that is aquired, it is hoped that Saints strive towards the full year&#8217;s supply. Storing only the basics is emphasized, and storing only foods that naturally store easily. I can now find nothing in official policy about doing the time-honored practices of gardening and sewing and canning.</p>
<p>I assume this de-emphasis was necessary because such a low percentage of saints were actually trying to store and produce food anyway. (Most surveys I&#8217;ve read say only 5% to 15% of Saints currently have any kind of storage or production systems within their homes.) I think it was a kind of &#8220;lowering of the bar.&#8221;</p>
<p>Equal emphasis on temporal planning now is placed on FINANCIAL frugality and family economic stability. Perhaps neglecting our wise use of money is now as dangerous as running out of food!</p>
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