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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-62206</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Behold: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncsl.org/Default.aspx?TabId=13294&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;further evidence&lt;/a&gt; that states are suffering without being able to print up their own funny money. Going into debt to give people &quot;free&quot; money. Borrower beware!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behold: <a href="http://www.ncsl.org/Default.aspx?TabId=13294" rel="nofollow">further evidence</a> that states are suffering without being able to print up their own funny money. Going into debt to give people &#8220;free&#8221; money. Borrower beware!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-61924</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, is Huntsman a Keynesian as well?</description>
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		<title>By: Brennan</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58845</link>
		<dc:creator>Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Above you quoted Gov Blagojevich.... Silly he&#039;s now found to be corrupt.  One down.....574 to go.  Oh wait.  573  Ron Paul is the good one :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Above you quoted Gov Blagojevich&#8230;. Silly he&#8217;s now found to be corrupt.  One down&#8230;..574 to go.  Oh wait.  573  Ron Paul is the good one :)</p>
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		<title>By: Carborendum</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58779</link>
		<dc:creator>Carborendum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my understanding that &quot;competing currencies&quot; are also outlawed in the US.  The term &quot;coin money&quot; has been interpreted in courts (although I&#039;m not sure if it was the SCOTUS -- but it would make sense that it was) as meaning ANY form of currency.

It is also illegal for anyone to own gold bullion without special licenses that are NOT for &quot;coining&quot; or backing currencies.  Such licenses are for jewelers and the like.  I believe the same applies to silver.

There are ways around it like advertizing &quot;medallions&quot; as collectible items.  Owning 24K gold jewelry is legal, just not bullion.

There are also logistical concerns.  Who has enough money to be the gold &quot;banker&quot;?  How many people can trust such a man to keep the gold safe and available?  This is what began fractional reserve in the first place.  We might start over, but we&#039;d end up going down the same path again.  It just takes enough desperation and greed.

There is also the question of how circulation of funds will keep up with a growing economy when there is no fractional reserve.  Eventually, there will be a currency shortage.  This is what made the fed a viable alternative in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my understanding that &#8220;competing currencies&#8221; are also outlawed in the US.  The term &#8220;coin money&#8221; has been interpreted in courts (although I&#8217;m not sure if it was the SCOTUS &#8212; but it would make sense that it was) as meaning ANY form of currency.</p>
<p>It is also illegal for anyone to own gold bullion without special licenses that are NOT for &#8220;coining&#8221; or backing currencies.  Such licenses are for jewelers and the like.  I believe the same applies to silver.</p>
<p>There are ways around it like advertizing &#8220;medallions&#8221; as collectible items.  Owning 24K gold jewelry is legal, just not bullion.</p>
<p>There are also logistical concerns.  Who has enough money to be the gold &#8220;banker&#8221;?  How many people can trust such a man to keep the gold safe and available?  This is what began fractional reserve in the first place.  We might start over, but we&#8217;d end up going down the same path again.  It just takes enough desperation and greed.</p>
<p>There is also the question of how circulation of funds will keep up with a growing economy when there is no fractional reserve.  Eventually, there will be a currency shortage.  This is what made the fed a viable alternative in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58775</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Could we form a community that does this, Connor, correctly? Is that even legal?&lt;/em&gt;

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Liberty Dollar&lt;/a&gt; is an interesting case study in researching the answer to your question.  Ostensibly legal, yes.  But as &lt;a href=&quot;http://cryptogon.com/images/ronpaulsign.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the sign&lt;/a&gt; on Ron Paul&#039;s desk says, the government hates competition.  And so the Feds raided the LD offices and stole all the goods.  Hmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Could we form a community that does this, Connor, correctly? Is that even legal?</em></p>
<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar" rel="nofollow">Liberty Dollar</a> is an interesting case study in researching the answer to your question.  Ostensibly legal, yes.  But as <a href="http://cryptogon.com/images/ronpaulsign.jpg" rel="nofollow">the sign</a> on Ron Paul&#8217;s desk says, the government hates competition.  And so the Feds raided the LD offices and stole all the goods.  Hmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Angilee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angilee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why print local money?  Just barter - like we still do at farmers&#039; markets and flea markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why print local money?  Just barter &#8211; like we still do at farmers&#8217; markets and flea markets.</p>
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		<title>By: vontrapp</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58772</link>
		<dc:creator>vontrapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doing it correctly would require using coins, most likely, and the article says that making coins is illegal (but making paper money is not, figure that one out). Only congress has the power to coin, whatever. If we can make proper notes which are backed by gold and not counterfeitable, then I&#039;m in on it. Maybe not a paper note at all, but something electronic, eh??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doing it correctly would require using coins, most likely, and the article says that making coins is illegal (but making paper money is not, figure that one out). Only congress has the power to coin, whatever. If we can make proper notes which are backed by gold and not counterfeitable, then I&#8217;m in on it. Maybe not a paper note at all, but something electronic, eh??</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff T.</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58771</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could we form a community that does this, Connor, correctly? Is that even legal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could we form a community that does this, Connor, correctly? Is that even legal?</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58770</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milwaukee residents are apparently taking things &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-talk_moneydec03,0,2902061.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;into their own hands&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Residents from the Milwaukee neighborhoods of Riverwest and East Side are scheduled to meet Wednesday to discuss printing their own money. The idea is that the local cash could be used at neighborhood stores and businesses, thus encouraging local spending. The result, supporters hope, would be a bustling local economy, even as the rest of the nation deals with a recession.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All they&#039;re doing is sowing the seeds of another money tree. As Rothbard has often written, any sound money system must be based on a commodity of relatively fixed abundance to prevent anybody from having the power to massively inflate and circulate newly created &quot;money&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milwaukee residents are apparently taking things <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-talk_moneydec03,0,2902061.story" rel="nofollow">into their own hands</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Residents from the Milwaukee neighborhoods of Riverwest and East Side are scheduled to meet Wednesday to discuss printing their own money. The idea is that the local cash could be used at neighborhood stores and businesses, thus encouraging local spending. The result, supporters hope, would be a bustling local economy, even as the rest of the nation deals with a recession.</p></blockquote>
<p>All they&#8217;re doing is sowing the seeds of another money tree. As Rothbard has often written, any sound money system must be based on a commodity of relatively fixed abundance to prevent anybody from having the power to massively inflate and circulate newly created &#8220;money&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58768</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luckily, Texas -- my State, will not be asking for Federal money.
I was listening to one of our TX State Senators, Steve Ogden, speaking today and he said that 2 years ago the State of Texas had more money on surplus than the Legislator could responsibly spend, and they just put it in a &quot;Rainy Day Fund&quot;.  Now, even with 42 States with their hand out, Texas will come into 2009 with an $11 billion dollar budget surplus.
I&#039;m sure Texas government isn&#039;t doing great, but at least it&#039;s not in line with Arnold and some of the other Governors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luckily, Texas &#8212; my State, will not be asking for Federal money.<br />
I was listening to one of our TX State Senators, Steve Ogden, speaking today and he said that 2 years ago the State of Texas had more money on surplus than the Legislator could responsibly spend, and they just put it in a &#8220;Rainy Day Fund&#8221;.  Now, even with 42 States with their hand out, Texas will come into 2009 with an $11 billion dollar budget surplus.<br />
I&#8217;m sure Texas government isn&#8217;t doing great, but at least it&#8217;s not in line with Arnold and some of the other Governors.</p>
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		<title>By: Reach Upward</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58747</link>
		<dc:creator>Reach Upward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite prophetic, Connor.  Also, vontrapp is dead on about state&#039;s rights.

Just one other comment: Gov. Huntsman is a moderate Democrat in all but name.  Don&#039;t act so surprised at his love of the federal money train.  (That&#039;s not to say that the GOP doesn&#039;t have its fair share of big government profligates.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite prophetic, Connor.  Also, vontrapp is dead on about state&#8217;s rights.</p>
<p>Just one other comment: Gov. Huntsman is a moderate Democrat in all but name.  Don&#8217;t act so surprised at his love of the federal money train.  (That&#8217;s not to say that the GOP doesn&#8217;t have its fair share of big government profligates.)</p>
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		<title>By: Clumpy</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58744</link>
		<dc:creator>Clumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay! Now all of the massive waste of Federal government coupled with the irresponsibility of no budget limits can be brought down to the state level! Soon &lt;em&gt;everything&lt;/em&gt; can suck! All right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay! Now all of the massive waste of Federal government coupled with the irresponsibility of no budget limits can be brought down to the state level! Soon <em>everything</em> can suck! All right!</p>
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		<title>By: vontrapp</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58739</link>
		<dc:creator>vontrapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, one more thing.
States not only don&#039;t have the benefit of the money tree with which to spend extravagantly like the federal government, but they also suffer, same as we do, the effects of the inflation resulting from the federal extravagance. Existing state operations become more and more costly with inflation, but states don&#039;t have a direct pipe to the money tree. So they either raise taxes or ask for the pipe. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if some masterminds are rejoicing that their plan to strip away state sovereignty is working splendidly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one more thing.<br />
States not only don&#8217;t have the benefit of the money tree with which to spend extravagantly like the federal government, but they also suffer, same as we do, the effects of the inflation resulting from the federal extravagance. Existing state operations become more and more costly with inflation, but states don&#8217;t have a direct pipe to the money tree. So they either raise taxes or ask for the pipe. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if some masterminds are rejoicing that their plan to strip away state sovereignty is working splendidly.</p>
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		<title>By: vontrapp</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58738</link>
		<dc:creator>vontrapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connor,
You hint at it by mentioning sovereign states, but fail to drive it home. One HUGE danger in all this, perhaps even the biggest, is that now states will be more beholden than ever to the federal govt, and even more insidiously, to the FED itself, to unknown degrees. You can kiss state rights goodbye!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connor,<br />
You hint at it by mentioning sovereign states, but fail to drive it home. One HUGE danger in all this, perhaps even the biggest, is that now states will be more beholden than ever to the federal govt, and even more insidiously, to the FED itself, to unknown degrees. You can kiss state rights goodbye!</p>
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		<title>By: vontrapp</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58737</link>
		<dc:creator>vontrapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,
You forgot step 0, which has two possibilities, which both lead to step 1.
0a) I&#039;m living it up on easy money because interest rates are low.
0b) I&#039;m living within my means, perhaps barely. With inflation my means lessen but my living does not.

Without either one, we wouldn&#039;t have a step 1. Without the fed, we wouldn&#039;t have either step 0a or 0b!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
You forgot step 0, which has two possibilities, which both lead to step 1.<br />
0a) I&#8217;m living it up on easy money because interest rates are low.<br />
0b) I&#8217;m living within my means, perhaps barely. With inflation my means lessen but my living does not.</p>
<p>Without either one, we wouldn&#8217;t have a step 1. Without the fed, we wouldn&#8217;t have either step 0a or 0b!</p>
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		<title>By: bloggernacleburner</title>
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		<dc:creator>bloggernacleburner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the president totally controls US money policy. With an iron fist.

It&#039;s all a part of his mandate, right? Right there in the constitution?

ooops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the president totally controls US money policy. With an iron fist.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all a part of his mandate, right? Right there in the constitution?</p>
<p>ooops.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58732</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=a6jD2cjWwSEo&amp;refer=worldwide&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;latest&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;U.S. governors will ask that any federal stimulus plan for the states include as much as $100 billion in aid to help cover the swelling costs of social services, Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich said. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The article goes on to mention how a couple governors&#8212;including the Governator&#8212;want to balance their own books before accepting federal aid.  But pray tell, once the books are balanced, what&#039;s the need for money from the feds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=a6jD2cjWwSEo&#038;refer=worldwide" rel="nofollow">latest</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>U.S. governors will ask that any federal stimulus plan for the states include as much as $100 billion in aid to help cover the swelling costs of social services, Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich said. </p></blockquote>
<p>The article goes on to mention how a couple governors&#8212;including the Governator&#8212;want to balance their own books before accepting federal aid.  But pray tell, once the books are balanced, what&#8217;s the need for money from the feds?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58731</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be harder for the government if money actually did grow on trees.  Then they would still have to observe the law of the harvest.  They would have to plant, care for, and harvest their crop.
When they just print it - or make it just appear on a computer screen, it is much easier than growing it on a tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be harder for the government if money actually did grow on trees.  Then they would still have to observe the law of the harvest.  They would have to plant, care for, and harvest their crop.<br />
When they just print it &#8211; or make it just appear on a computer screen, it is much easier than growing it on a tree.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Harper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean.... money doesn&#039;t grow on tree?  Nahhhhhhhhhh.

I fear that the scenario for so many people goes as follows:

1) I&#039;m in panic mode because health insurance is going up, I&#039;m in debt, I&#039;m living paycheck to paycheck, and there&#039;s &quot;simply not enough&quot; (because of the way I&#039;m living, but I find other reasons to blame to keep me from changing)
2) The government is giving out free money to solve my problems that are victimizing me?
3) My brain turns off as I glow with excitement of my burdens being relieved by my friend the government who watches out for me and gives me the free money that I need
4) The opportunity to realize the cost of free money flies by unnoticed as I wallow in delight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean&#8230;. money doesn&#8217;t grow on tree?  Nahhhhhhhhhh.</p>
<p>I fear that the scenario for so many people goes as follows:</p>
<p>1) I&#8217;m in panic mode because health insurance is going up, I&#8217;m in debt, I&#8217;m living paycheck to paycheck, and there&#8217;s &#8220;simply not enough&#8221; (because of the way I&#8217;m living, but I find other reasons to blame to keep me from changing)<br />
2) The government is giving out free money to solve my problems that are victimizing me?<br />
3) My brain turns off as I glow with excitement of my burdens being relieved by my friend the government who watches out for me and gives me the free money that I need<br />
4) The opportunity to realize the cost of free money flies by unnoticed as I wallow in delight.</p>
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		<title>By: bcrockett</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/state-budgets-suffering-without-a-money-tree#comment-58723</link>
		<dc:creator>bcrockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Mo money, mo problems.&lt;/em&gt;

Nice one Connor, I think that sums up the last few months perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Mo money, mo problems.</em></p>
<p>Nice one Connor, I think that sums up the last few months perfectly.</p>
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