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	<title>Comments on: The San Diego Fires and the Broken Window Fallacy</title>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/the-san-diego-fires-and-the-broken-window-fallacy#comment-53402</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The broken window fallacy is #1 on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mises.org/story/1568&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this list&lt;/a&gt; of 10 recurring economic fallacies for the past 230 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The broken window fallacy is #1 on <a href="http://www.mises.org/story/1568" rel="nofollow">this list</a> of 10 recurring economic fallacies for the past 230 years.</p>
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		<title>By: salth2o</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/the-san-diego-fires-and-the-broken-window-fallacy#comment-38429</link>
		<dc:creator>salth2o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Events like this do not create more wealth, but permit the wealth to shift.  In no way can this destruction be considered benifical to society- just beneficial to those who make profit from other&#039;s misfortune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Events like this do not create more wealth, but permit the wealth to shift.  In no way can this destruction be considered benifical to society- just beneficial to those who make profit from other&#8217;s misfortune.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/the-san-diego-fires-and-the-broken-window-fallacy#comment-38297</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many abandoned mining towns have a history that involves being burnt down three times and rebuilt twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many abandoned mining towns have a history that involves being burnt down three times and rebuilt twice.</p>
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		<title>By: dstoker</title>
		<link>http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/the-san-diego-fires-and-the-broken-window-fallacy#comment-37976</link>
		<dc:creator>dstoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Does this, then, mean that we should go around hoping (and helping) events like the San Diego fire to occur? I certainly hope not. (I&#8217;m just hoping to further the discussion; I&#8217;m not suggesting that dstoker was implying this.)&lt;/em&gt;

Obviously not, but it does open the door for conspiracy theorists and understanding that some will choose their own self-interest at the expense of others.  In direct relation to a fire, I seem to recall a forest fire in Utah or Arizona a couple years ago that was started by a firefighter desperate for work.  In more general terms, consider the US motives for going into Iraq or look at congressional voting and campaign contributions at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.maplight.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;maplight.org&lt;/a&gt;.  

I&#039;m getting off topic.  

Another comment on the original article- just the fact that some economists or businessmen are licking their chops at the opportunity to profit, or can dismiss suffering and loss in the name of economic development is, to me, a sign of a unhealthy society.  Economic vitality is ultimately not the most important element of an ideal society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Does this, then, mean that we should go around hoping (and helping) events like the San Diego fire to occur? I certainly hope not. (I&rsquo;m just hoping to further the discussion; I&rsquo;m not suggesting that dstoker was implying this.)</em></p>
<p>Obviously not, but it does open the door for conspiracy theorists and understanding that some will choose their own self-interest at the expense of others.  In direct relation to a fire, I seem to recall a forest fire in Utah or Arizona a couple years ago that was started by a firefighter desperate for work.  In more general terms, consider the US motives for going into Iraq or look at congressional voting and campaign contributions at <a href="http://www.maplight.org" rel="nofollow">maplight.org</a>.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting off topic.  </p>
<p>Another comment on the original article- just the fact that some economists or businessmen are licking their chops at the opportunity to profit, or can dismiss suffering and loss in the name of economic development is, to me, a sign of a unhealthy society.  Economic vitality is ultimately not the most important element of an ideal society.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Staheli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Staheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way...

It was either Bastiat or Henry Hazlitt who discussed the things we see versus the things we can&#039;t see.  The LA Times economists are very poor at their craft, because they have only taken into account what can be seen, and they don&#039;t seem to give a crap about the families whose lives have been destroyed and what (and how long) it will take to get back to where they once were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way&#8230;</p>
<p>It was either Bastiat or Henry Hazlitt who discussed the things we see versus the things we can&#8217;t see.  The LA Times economists are very poor at their craft, because they have only taken into account what can be seen, and they don&#8217;t seem to give a crap about the families whose lives have been destroyed and what (and how long) it will take to get back to where they once were.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;All these small groups are doing is profiting from someone else&#8217;s demise.&lt;/em&gt;

Same thing with the war profiteers and military industrial complex...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>All these small groups are doing is profiting from someone else&rsquo;s demise.</em></p>
<p>Same thing with the war profiteers and military industrial complex&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Staheli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Staheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much appreciate Bastiat&#039;s broken window theory.  dstoker has pointed out that some people or small groups are better off.  But are they really?  Does this, then, mean that we should go around hoping (and helping) events like the San Diego fire to occur?  I certainly hope not.  (I&#039;m just hoping to further the discussion; I&#039;m not suggesting that dstoker was implying this.)

All these small groups are doing is profiting from someone else&#039;s demise.  The net result is that we&#039;ve essentially wasted economic resources to get back to where we started.

I sure hope none of the economists cited by the LA Times ever run for public office.  But then again, some of them are already &lt;em&gt;in &lt;/em&gt;office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much appreciate Bastiat&#8217;s broken window theory.  dstoker has pointed out that some people or small groups are better off.  But are they really?  Does this, then, mean that we should go around hoping (and helping) events like the San Diego fire to occur?  I certainly hope not.  (I&#8217;m just hoping to further the discussion; I&#8217;m not suggesting that dstoker was implying this.)</p>
<p>All these small groups are doing is profiting from someone else&#8217;s demise.  The net result is that we&#8217;ve essentially wasted economic resources to get back to where we started.</p>
<p>I sure hope none of the economists cited by the LA Times ever run for public office.  But then again, some of them are already <em>in </em>office.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Disaster and war have been very good to the LDS Church: from good press in New Orleans, to thousands upon thousands of converts in the Philippines starting with U.S. servicemen in WWII.&lt;/em&gt;

While I was relating my statement strictly to economics, I do see your point when applied to other realms of life. 

I suppose that my reason for saying that statement is that bad does not justify good.  Do good things come as a result of bad ones?  Sure - in the broken window theory, the glazier gets a job.  That&#039;s good, right? Sure, but that doesn&#039;t justify the bad thing that caused the good thing.  

&lt;em&gt;Another separate thought is the specific construction company that gets rich off the new contracts is better off.&lt;/em&gt;

As I stated in the post, there are indeed immediate, related interests (in the case of the theory, the glazier.. in the case of the fires, the construction companies) that do indeed profit.  But the fallacy of the argument is when somebody (in this case, the cited economist) states that such an event is beneficial to the economy.  That is false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Disaster and war have been very good to the LDS Church: from good press in New Orleans, to thousands upon thousands of converts in the Philippines starting with U.S. servicemen in WWII.</em></p>
<p>While I was relating my statement strictly to economics, I do see your point when applied to other realms of life. </p>
<p>I suppose that my reason for saying that statement is that bad does not justify good.  Do good things come as a result of bad ones?  Sure &#8211; in the broken window theory, the glazier gets a job.  That&#8217;s good, right? Sure, but that doesn&#8217;t justify the bad thing that caused the good thing.  </p>
<p><em>Another separate thought is the specific construction company that gets rich off the new contracts is better off.</em></p>
<p>As I stated in the post, there are indeed immediate, related interests (in the case of the theory, the glazier.. in the case of the fires, the construction companies) that do indeed profit.  But the fallacy of the argument is when somebody (in this case, the cited economist) states that such an event is beneficial to the economy.  That is false.</p>
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		<title>By: dstoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>dstoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a different direction than the intended discussion of economics but two thoughts-

&quot;Nobody is better off after a disaster&quot;

Disaster and war have been very good to the LDS Church: from good press in New Orleans, to thousands upon thousands of converts in the Philippines starting with U.S. servicemen in WWII.

Another separate thought is the specific construction company that gets rich off the new contracts is better off.  This can be carried over into the Iraq war and all the companies that have become extremely  rich from their government contracts, and hence their financial conflict of interest for the war to end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a different direction than the intended discussion of economics but two thoughts-</p>
<p>&#8220;Nobody is better off after a disaster&#8221;</p>
<p>Disaster and war have been very good to the LDS Church: from good press in New Orleans, to thousands upon thousands of converts in the Philippines starting with U.S. servicemen in WWII.</p>
<p>Another separate thought is the specific construction company that gets rich off the new contracts is better off.  This can be carried over into the Iraq war and all the companies that have become extremely  rich from their government contracts, and hence their financial conflict of interest for the war to end.</p>
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