Politics is still a popularity contest to many. Obama has charisma. So did Clinton. Bush had more than Gore or Kerry. Edwards had it to some extent. Even Huckabee has cute dimples. Alan Keyes is awesome! But he doesn’t come across well on camera and neither does Ron Paul. He is awkward and gangly. He doesn’t “look presidential”. Even Romney comes across as a bit of a stuffed shirt. Hillary Clinton does okay, but only with some groups of people. Palin is a huge threat to Dems because she is so likable and can’t be bought!

Obama was chosen and groomed by brilliant people who knew they had no chance of winning, but Obama has the looks and speaking ability to get the lemming voters to follow him. It is really hard to train a lemming who deep down, just wants to follow someone based on “feelings”. They don’t want to learn or think. It works. Whoever controls the media, controls the lemmings.

Bad news is that Ron Paul, even though he’s the only one left to run against McCain, is such a long-shot.

I talked to two die-hard Utah Republicans tonight – (they were off the the Republican Caucus Meetings) – if they were supporting McCain now. They replied that even though they don’t like McCain, they are supporting him because they hate Hilary and that leaves them with no other choice but to support McCain, because Ron Paul cannot win.

One of these people even said that even though he agreed with the whole platform of the Constitution Party, he was on his way to the Caucus Meetings to support McCain, because the Constitution Party had no chance of winning.

The other person said that he was supporting the Republican Party because “it is my way to fight against them. (Republicans).”

The Scriptures say that in the Last Days, even the very elect will be deceived. Seems many LDS have been deceived into support of McCain and his 100 year war.

I have so much to say, but lack the desire say it all. I will stick to two ideas.

First, does anyone remember when the Republican Party was more in line with the ideas Ron Paul espouses? I think he was totally right running as a Republican. Jumping parties doesn’t solve the problem. There is talk in the thread of the Constitution Party. While I agree with the party philosophies, I can’t help but look to the future when the same corruption that crept into the Republican Party will corrupt the Constitution Party and then everyone will want to jump to a new party. We need to root out the pagan, blue-blood, bastards of the royal family and hang them all for treason. We need to show them what We the People will do with treasonous scum. (Whenever I bring up the “Royal” family, people narrowly think I am talking simply of the queen of England. I am talking about the pagan, interbreeding family that usurped power across Europe when the Romans left. King George never accepted defeat after the Revolutionary War. He simply changed tactic and then imposed his reign on us through forcing his bastard inbred relations into our political and economic structure to insure ongoing control and taxation under a different name.)

Second, Mitt Romney. Oh brother. I guess we start with waterboarding. Hop on Youtube and do a search, If it doesn’t cause extreme discomfort in your heart and mind, you deserve to have it done to you. Let’s call apples, apples. Waterboarding is torture. Mitt Romney said, “I think we should double Guantanamo.” Really?!?!? AND THEN…. He runs around the country trying to convince everyone he is a Christian. Does Jesus Christ condone Guantanamo? Yes or no.

Time has not yet permitted me to read others responses to your case for Dr. Paul. I can pretty much tell you what the opposing view point is. I have heard it endlessly from most everyone around me.

I am continually astonished at why more LDS people do not overwhelmingly support Ron Paul. He is the only candidate with a set of principles that he has honored 100% with out fail. We are taught to live our life in accordance with timeless principles that are unchanging. He does. We are taught to be honest in our dealings with our fellow men. He is. We are taught to live within our means. He does.

I could go on for days on this subject. the truth is that most people will not do their own dilligence and actually think for themselves. It takes only a few seconds of conversation with someone to figure out where their infromation comes from.

Like the Book of Mormon, Ron Paul shines when you actually investigate him but most people will not take the time because that would mean a commitment. The truth alwaws requires a commitment.

Much of what he has to say (truth) people do not want to hear because that would mean change. We need to change our course as a people. We need to get involved in the process again and start taking control of our future instead of allowing an ever growing, ever imposing government run our lives.

Last time I checked Mormons are supposed to be about being self supportive, the US is not. Last time I checked Mormons are supposed to be about protecting personal liberty (see Moroni) the US government is not. Last time I checked Mormons are supposed to be about personal accountability. Many have forgot about this when it comes to electing a President.

I have to believe that if Joseph Smith were alive today he would be running on the same platform as Ron.

Thanks for standing tall.

Greg S.

1) Of the 13 quotes that I was able to find. I only found 3 that were actually racist. The rest were things that either did not have anything to do with race OR were comments about race but not really racist.

2) We’ve all heard his speeches dozens if not hundreds of times. We’ve heard him saying the same things today that he said 20 years ago. The tenor and pattern of his speaking and writing hasn’t changed. But the writing style of the articles I was able to dig up didn’t sound like him at all. I absolutely believe him when he says that he himself did not write these articles. I still reserve judgement on whether he actually “gave a thumbs up” on the articles or didn’t even read them.

Of the three comments that I believed to be racist, I will make the following comment / disclaimer;

I am oriental. I was adopted by a white family that gave me every material joy that they could afford (we were middle class). But the one thing they never did was make me feel that I really belonged or that I was even loved as a member of the family. (Yes, I was sealed to them). The reason why was simple. I wasn’t white. They thought they showed me love. I wasn’t ever treated like a servant. On every visible level I was a son to them. But the subtext was obvious to anyone that really paid attention.

With the benefit of hindsight, the experience of maturity, and study, I realize that this wasn’t a personal flaw on their part. This was the culture of the country at the time I grew up. They made racial jokes and expected me to laugh along. They made racial comments (very similar to the one’s now attributed to Ron Paul) and expected me to understand that they were obviously true and therefore justified. All it did was confuse me.

If Dr. Paul actually read and approved these comments in the 80s, I can say (because I was there) that it was no different than what 90% of Americans were saying openly in front of blacks at the time. I’m not saying it’s right. But that was reality. It is like condemning half the founding fathers for having slaves.
Maybe it was wrong by our standards today. But it was perfectly acceptable in the day that it occurred.

BTW: I realize some may have wondered why I called myself “Oriental” instead of “Asian”. The answer is that I don’t want to take the extra mouth movements (or keystrokes) to say “African American” so I say “Black”. So I have to give equal treatment to myself. Although “Asian” does have fewer letters and syllables. Maybe I’ll reconsider.

In a word; phooey.

Connor:

Did you catch the recent article in NewsWithViews.com by Alan Stang? It is typically, in my opinion, quite accurate and I find Stang’s methodology in expressing himself refreshingly devoid of PC.

I’m not going to dignify your inaccurate, bias-laden comment with a rebuttal or lengthy reply. You may think that it is because your comments are spot on, but they are not. You may think that it is because you have “touched a raw nerve”, but you have not. Feel free to think what you wish, but man, your comment is hilariously off base.

Good day.

Hey, I really don’t care who you wish to run this country, and I really don’t care how racist or not racist they are, or ever were. I want the best candidate that will run the programs and philosophies that I back, regardless of how un-PC he may or may not be. If I believed in the same things that Ron Paul espouses, then I would support him regardless of writings attached to his name from 20 years back. That is trivial matter to me. It is petty 7th grade mudslinging.

But that isn’t how you frame this man, Connor. You frame him as a man of integrity, a “noble man.” A man of goodness, who has—and this is highly important—consistently stood for what is right. Yet here he is in the 1980s pandering to white supremacists, giving a ghost writer the rights to his (Ron Paul’s) name and identity to write some pretty reprehensible stuff. And for what? For MONEY to be re-elected to his seat. He did this for money. Where is this man of goodness? Where is his consistent integrity? Why did he allow a ghost-writer (most likely Mr. Rockwell) to write such reprehensible material under Mr. Ron Paul’s name? Ron Paul would love for this to go away (as most politicians who get caught red—or in this case white—handed).

Now, knowing the history of members of this church, I can understand why they have a tendency to support someone like Ron Paul. Blacks, after all, didn’t get the best treatment socially within this church, second class citizens and all, no priesthood. It seems to fit nicely. Maybe Ron Paul and his ghost writer touched a certain deeply hidden aspect of many Mormons’ real thoughts about blacks.

It sucks when such evidence comes out, Connor, and I feel for you. You thought your hero had come, the man to ride down from the mountains to save the Constitution and fulfill that apocryphal prophecy from Joseph Smith. It turns out he’s not really that different from most politicians, except that because he has so little to lose, he can say what he really thinks—to an extent of course.

I’m sorry that your man turns out to have had reprehensible thoughts about blacks back in the 1980s and 1990s, Connor. But your counterattack with the reverend that Barack Obama is friends with is very weak, and shows that this revelation about Ron Paul has touched a raw nerve in you, Connor. The comparison is highly weak. On the one hand, Mr. Paul used a ghost-writer to write disparagingly about blacks to increase revenue for his campaign. On the other hand, we have merely a close connection. My dad is an anti-Mormon Southern Baptist. Does that say anything at all about me? Or, hey, Joseph Smith’s family left the church and criticized Brigham Young and the rest of the Apostles. Does that say anything disparaging about Joseph Smith? Please.

So, don’t worry Connor, I don’t frequent your site much, but I felt I had to get that in there, about Ron Paul. I think you frame him in too much of a righteous light and you should do better at presenting him more accurately to your readers if you want your readers to have an informed opinion about him. Your praise of him is near reverent. I would be careful at how much praise you give ANY politician.

Dan, if we were to use your standard of judgment for “racist” (somebody who supports others and their statements that have racist components), then what of your favorite candidate?

Aaaand, he’s back.

Doug and I have already discussed this issue on this thread.

Suffice it to say that RP didn’t write those words, so he cannot be branded a racist. And everything he’s ever done in the public sphere has been to fight for individual rights, regardless of race, religion, sex, or any other identifier that segregates people. Your accusation is without merit.

And even if RP did author one or more of those newsletters (which has yet to be proven), what of repentance? Would I be disqualified from office, in your eyes, if I had said some sexist remark ten years ago that I had repented of and left behind? If RP or anybody else held “racist” opinions/thoughts a few decades ago, is that enough for you to label them as a current racist?

The Lord has counseled us to support wise and honest men. Ron Paul, out of all the current candidates, comes the closest to that standard.